Listening to Undercover for the first time in a while.
For me it´s the last great Stones album - really sounds as they still care and NEED/WANT to play!

But it´s also part of the not-so-great 80´s production style...
Way too loud drums and vocals!

I want to hear it remixed more like Sticky and Exile - guitars louder etc.
Could be awesome...><

I love this album as is, but I agree that more guitars would be interesting.

steel wheels is the album i think remixing

Tie You Up is perfect. And so is She Was Hot. In fact, the rockers are great, can't see a need for a remix. But Undercover Of The Night and Too Much Blood could certainly use a reduction! in the mix effects wise. I've always thought Feel On Baby was nice but have always wanted to hear the background things higher in the mix - but then that would kind of defeat the coolness of that song huh.

I couldn't agree more about Undercover. The subject matter of that album is dirty and gritty, yet the production style is way too clean and neat. The studio sessions I've heard on bootlegs are more true to the Stones sound and the subject matter of the album.

I also agree that Steel Wheels is the other album where they missed the mark on the production side. At least Undercover has some punch and bottom end. Steel Wheels reminds me of other albums from that era (Now and Zen, Blow Up Your Video, And Justice for All) that suffer from the 80's production styles.



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I want to hear it remixed more like Sticky and Exile - guitars louder etc.
Could be awesome...><

sorry to completely disagree. remixing to sound like a different era is as drastic as re-writing the lyrics.

it is what it is....and it represents the musical period and historical period in which it was created.


IORR............but I like it!



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I want to hear it remixed more like Sticky and Exile - guitars louder etc.
Could be awesome...><

sorry to completely disagree. remixing to sound like a different era is as drastic as re-writing they lyrics.

it is was it is....and it represents the musical period and historical period in which it was created.

i see nothing wrong with it. as long as the buyer has a choice of which version they want to buy. the doors remixed all their studio albums a few yrs back and they sounded great.

Steel Wheels is in desperate need of a re-mix. It reeks of the 80's.

Leave She Was Hot and All The Way Down alone and remix the rest, absolutely. It might make me like the album more. Like Dylan's Empire Burlesque, it's a flawed album mostly because of the sound. Both have great songs and are victims of the 80s production sound.

Pearl Jam released "Ten" as a double CD last year -
CD 1: remastered
CD 2: remixed

Interesting to hear different aspects/versions/angles of a record I like...

Re. Steel Wheels - just consider Steel Wheels Outtakes the 'real' album; it did it for me. Just like that SW became one of the better true Stones albums.

quit yer bitchin an remix it already

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Steel Wheels is in desperate need of a re-mix. It reeks of the 80's.

steel wheels just needs a new set of songs. they should release it with a brand new set of songs - but i hope they dont' remix them.

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Steel Wheels is in desperate need of a re-mix. It reeks of the 80's.

steel wheels just needs a new set of songs. they should release it with a brand new set of songs - but i hope they dont' remix them.

Why don't they take side one of Sticky Fingers, and side one of Tattoo You, and put them on Steel Wheels. And I definitely agree, no remixing! Leave it alone!

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Steel Wheels is in desperate need of a re-mix. It reeks of the 80's.

steel wheels just needs a new set of songs. they should release it with a brand new set of songs - but i hope they dont' remix them.

Why don't they take side one of Sticky Fingers, and side one of Tattoo You, and put them on Steel Wheels. And I definitely agree, no remixing! Leave it alone!

this is the kind of out of the box thinking that's been sorely absent here. what would you propose for a fresh set of tunes for ABB?

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Pearl Jam released "Ten" as a double CD last year -
CD 1: remastered
CD 2: remixed

Interesting to hear different aspects/versions/angles of a record I like...

YES. That was an excellent reissue. The original mix was remastered and then you have the remix. It would be interesting if that was to happen for a Stones album. Undercover would be cool. Steel Wheels - it's such a bland album anyway I dunno if a remix would help ha ha. Maybe to take the 80s FM radio sheen away from it and make it sound a bit more organic would help tremendously - turn the guitars up a bit more, give the snare and kick a bit more punch and pull Mick's vocals down a bit, make them a bit more murky in the mix.

I agree that the "raw" mixes of the Steel Wheels tracks are mostly better than the released versions.

The album that most desperately needs a better mix, of course, is Dirty Work!
But it´s not a very good record anyway, so not as interesting to me as a remix of Undercover...

To those who think "leave the originals alone":
It´s not about taking away/deleting any album; just adding a different perspective/version of it!



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i see nothing wrong with it. as long as the buyer has a choice of which version they want to buy. the doors remixed all their studio albums a few yrs back and they sounded great.

so every album should be released in 3 different mixes in an attempt to appeal to everybody's
personal taste? imo the only opinion that should matter is that of the artist at the time of its production.

not sure what the Doors did.........but it was probably because Ray M is still trying to squeeze lemonade
out of an old lemon. The Stones are still producing music...their music from the 80s should reflect the'time period just as their
music from the 60s & 70s. The Doors have a problem because the main Door is dead and they've
run out of ways to repackage their old music.


IORR............but I like it!

pearl jam's ten album benefited greatly from taking away the overwash of reverb that the late 80s early 90s seemed to love.

it would be interesting to hear undercover or steel wheels minus their respective 80s sound. by taking away some of the studio tricks, we might hear a different kind of album. it will still sound 80s in terms of the instrumentation and general guitar/ drum sounds, but it might sound different. i'd be open to it.

honestly they can do whatever they want,
if its an improvement, i will play it,
if it sucks, i will play what i already have,
no big deal.

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I agree that the "raw" mixes of the Steel Wheels tracks are mostly better than the released versions.

The album that most desperately needs a better mix, of course, is Dirty Work!
But it´s not a very good record anyway, so not as interesting to me as a remix of Undercover...

To those who think "leave the originals alone":
It´s not about taking away/deleting any album; just adding a different perspective/version of it!

Dirty Work doesn't need a remix, just a decent burial.

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Steel Wheels is in desperate need of a re-mix. It reeks of the 80's.

steel wheels just needs a new set of songs. they should release it with a brand new set of songs - but i hope they dont' remix them.

Why don't they take side one of Sticky Fingers, and side one of Tattoo You, and put them on Steel Wheels. And I definitely agree, no remixing! Leave it alone!

this is the kind of out of the box thinking that's been sorely absent here. what would you propose for a fresh set of tunes for ABB?

Thanks, I appreciate the acknowledgement. For ABB, as the length of the album would warrant it, I'd suggest taking Exile intact, but just reversing the order of the songs.

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Steel Wheels is in desperate need of a re-mix. It reeks of the 80's.

steel wheels just needs a new set of songs. they should release it with a brand new set of songs - but i hope they dont' remix them.

Why don't they take side one of Sticky Fingers, and side one of Tattoo You, and put them on Steel Wheels. And I definitely agree, no remixing! Leave it alone!

this is the kind of out of the box thinking that's been sorely absent here. what would you propose for a fresh set of tunes for ABB?

Thanks, I appreciate the acknowledgement. For ABB, as the length of the album would warrant it, I'd suggest taking Exile intact, but just reversing the order of the songs.

yes! could we also have the exile postcards included, and represented in reverse order, too? also, i think it's important that the credits appear that way, as well.

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Steel Wheels is in desperate need of a re-mix. It reeks of the 80's.

steel wheels just needs a new set of songs. they should release it with a brand new set of songs - but i hope they dont' remix them.

Why don't they take side one of Sticky Fingers, and side one of Tattoo You, and put them on Steel Wheels. And I definitely agree, no remixing! Leave it alone!

this is the kind of out of the box thinking that's been sorely absent here. what would you propose for a fresh set of tunes for ABB?

Thanks, I appreciate the acknowledgement. For ABB, as the length of the album would warrant it, I'd suggest taking Exile intact, but just reversing the order of the songs.

yes! could we also have the exile postcards included, and represented in reverse order, too? also, i think it's important that the credits appear that way, as well.

To keep it interesting, I think they should include the negatives of the original postcards!

...and don't get me started on the album cover.

Monitor Mix is already out there making Steel Wheels sound better.

"No Anchovies, Please"

Truth.

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Monitor Mix is already out there making Steel Wheels sound better.

yeah, but the "treacle" remaster sounds so much better.

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Monitor Mix is already out there making Steel Wheels sound better.

yeah, but the "treacle" remaster sounds so much better.

Thanks man...props to you.

We can call it "Treacle Wheels"

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Monitor Mix is already out there making Steel Wheels sound better.

yeah, but the "treacle" remaster sounds so much better.

Thanks man...props to you.

We can call it "Treacle Wheels"

yes, sounds so much better than "Steel Fingers" - can't wait for the super-duper deluxe bonus edition with 3cd cover.

needs 5 new songs too