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DandelionPowderman
If Matt played the piano, how did he make the piano sound that way? It sounds old, even for 1971, imo.
Not saying it's Nicky, but I always thought it was.
It could be Nicky. It just never sounded vintage to my ears. The thing is when I ask an alleged source if Clifford plays on it and he compliments me for working it out and tells me Clifford "enhanced" the track so Mick had a proper melody to build a song, I believe him. He could be telling the truth or he could be stringing me along by telling me something that will sound credible to me.
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DandelionPowderman
If Matt played the piano, how did he make the piano sound that way? It sounds old, even for 1971, imo.
Not saying it's Nicky, but I always thought it was.
It could be Nicky. It just never sounded vintage to my ears. The thing is when I ask an alleged source if Clifford plays on it and he compliments me for working it out and tells me Clifford "enhanced" the track so Mick had a proper melody to build a song, I believe him. He could be telling the truth or he could be stringing me along by telling me something that will sound credible to me.
This is new info to me too, kudos to RockyD for checking. I have always assumed it was vintage piano and vintage Nicky throughout. However, I have questioned the elements surrounding the piano, the guitars, even parts of the drums...(oh, here we go!) But I have no inside info. Some editing and looping is probably/obviously in play here, but any harmonic enhancing? To these ears, the only place someone can edit in something newer than the original is midway through the chorus, a lot of other stuff is happening there. I think we would easily have detected foul play in the verse. Perhaps Matt did some sampling / pitching/ editing of the original in the chorus, but this is just guessing. We will probably never know. And let me add, I have never heard Nickys original piano piece that Following was based on, "Whistling Wally" or whatever it was called. Anybody have that?
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TravelinMan
I must have missed it, is his name on the credits?
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Hairball
Never really liked Plundered My Soul because of the vocals - both the lead and backup - they just sound wrong for some reason.
I did buy a couple of the 7" vinyl singles on Record Store Day, and the best part of it was All Down the Line as the B-side,
Nice cover art also:
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DandelionPowderman
If Matt played the piano, how did he make the piano sound that way? It sounds old, even for 1971, imo.
Not saying it's Nicky, but I always thought it was.
It could be Nicky. It just never sounded vintage to my ears. The thing is when I ask an alleged source if Clifford plays on it and he compliments me for working it out and tells me Clifford "enhanced" the track so Mick had a proper melody to build a song, I believe him. He could be telling the truth or he could be stringing me along by telling me something that will sound credible to me.
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Palace Revolution 2000
I agree about the piano not sounding like Nicky on a Grand. But this may be an electric piano.
MJ-vocals, gtr, perc, KR-gtr, CW-dr, MT-gtr, BW-bass, Bobby Keys-sax, Nicky Hopkins-piano, Lisa Fischer, Cindy Michelle-bg vocQuote
Maindefender
I don't have the deluxe version in front of me, what is the personnel listed for Plundered?? They seem to have noted newer personnel where applicable.
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Hairball
Never really liked Plundered My Soul because of the vocals - both the lead and backup - they just sound wrong for some reason.
I did buy a couple of the 7" vinyl singles on Record Store Day, and the best part of it was All Down the Line as the B-side,
Nice cover art also:
Is the B-side the newer alternate version or the version from the original record?
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Hairball
Never really liked Plundered My Soul because of the vocals - both the lead and backup - they just sound wrong for some reason.
I did buy a couple of the 7" vinyl singles on Record Store Day, and the best part of it was All Down the Line as the B-side,
Nice cover art also:
Is the B-side the newer alternate version or the version from the original record?
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Rocky Dijon
I could be completely wrong and Mick's lyrics and his (and Lisa and Cindy's) vocals may be the only new elements apart from the strings. The piano sounded more "new" than vintage to me which was why I questioned it. I'm not sure a mellotron was used (I rather doubt it) since David Campbell is credited on the album for strings. Same gentleman who arranged strings for "Out of Tears."
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Palace Revolution 2000
I agree about the piano not sounding like Nicky on a Grand. But this may be an electric piano.
To me it sounds like a badly recorded piano, most likely in a big room.
I remember the first time I heard it. I reacted to the recording quality of the piano - like the mics were placed too far away, or something.
But people have fooled me with these things before
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Rocky Dijon
I could be completely wrong and Mick's lyrics and his (and Lisa and Cindy's) vocals may be the only new elements apart from the strings. The piano sounded more "new" than vintage to me which was why I questioned it. I'm not sure a mellotron was used (I rather doubt it) since David Campbell is credited on the album for strings. Same gentleman who arranged strings for "Out of Tears."
David Campbell is Beck Hansen’s dad. Matt Clifford could have processed the piano digitally, and altered the timing, making it sound less vintage and less Nicky.
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Rocky Dijon
It doesn't circulate through normal channels. There are people who say they've heard it, but you have to be one of them to get to hear it.
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Rocky Dijon
Overall, I would have been happier if the disc had been:
1. Pass the Wine
2. Plundered My Soul
3. I'm Not Signifying (with horns mixed properly and no blues harp overdub)
4. All Down the Line (acoustic)
5. All Down the Line (electric outtake)
6. Get a Line on You
7. Fragile
8. Good Time Women
9. Hillside Blues
10. Traveling Man
11. Exile on Main Street Blues (circulating edit)
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retired_dog
My problem with the bonus disc is not whether Matt or Nicky played on a tune or if Matt enhanced Nicky's playing with overdubs or whether Mick's blues harp does not sound like 1972 - these are minor details for me because other issues are far more apparent in my book:
1. The choice of material in general - see Rocky's list as an example of a far more satisfying set,
2. Mick's strained, overstretched and unnatural sounding vocal delivery on certain tracks like Dancing In The Light and Following The River which sounds miles away from his 1972 vocal coolness (obviously either unnoticed by the producer or due to the producer lacking the balls to tell him), and,
3. in addition to 2. the fact that Mick's vocals are way to high in the mix of all tracks that have "recently recorded" vocals, totally unlike the way they were mixed on the original album.
All in all, more indicators that Don Was is not the right producer for this band.
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padre69
I just compared the 2010 vinyl to my Artisian version and I actually like the 2010 more. Doesn’t sound brickwalled to my ears, nut I hear bass and piano better, which is nice.
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I just compared the 2010 vinyl to my Artisian version and I actually like the 2010 more. Doesn’t sound brickwalled to my ears, nut I hear bass and piano better, which is nice.
Because vinyl can't be brickwalled. All digital formats of the LP are brickwalled.
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TravelinMan
I must have missed it, is his name on the credits?
I believe Matt is credited with production assistance or some such. Nothing noting he plays keyboards.
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padre69
I just compared the 2010 vinyl to my Artisian version and I actually like the 2010 more. Doesn’t sound brickwalled to my ears, nut I hear bass and piano better, which is nice.
Because vinyl can't be brickwalled. All digital formats of the LP are brickwalled.
I sold my 2010 version precisely because it WAS brick-walled. Especially noticeable in the lack of air in the bass and drum parts that were recorded in separate rooms in the Nell Cote basement.I A/B'ed it with the copy I got for my 15th birthday (I'm 62 now) and that reissue was on eBay the same night.
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Palace Revolution 2000
Thing is - it all sounds very like it was done in service of making it as authentic and original as can be.