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Correct.
Live:
Dallas (1972 Tour) Rehearsals:
We cannot turn back the clock.
They shoud have left all slide work to Taylor on tis track
Keith slide playing is too sloppy imo,certainly when alcohol is involved and you're not that experienced or talented as a slide player.
Amazing job, I always thought that was Keith.
Simular to Keith.Or the other way around.
Give the guys a break...to copy them is one thing ..to invent things is quite another matter.
Learn something new everyday.
And don't forget Jagger's keyboard gifts.
My non-musician friend always dismisses Jagger's playing too.
But as a guitarist, I could always tell that Jagger, while not necessarily technically proficient, had a great feel as a guitarist. Listen to stuff where Jagger opens it up - like Stop Breaking Down, Fingerprint File or Winter or Till the Next Time, Heaven etc - these songs are simple chord-wise, but the syncopatated rhythm cadences are organic and soulful.
That's a real musician.
Or better yet, watch and listen to that scene in CS Blues where Mick is playing that pretty song on the piano. He;s basically fooling around with the beginnings of a song with a few chords. The chords are beautiful minor 7s and then he goes into a sort of bridge and chorus......
Anyone who doesn't believe Jagger is a great musician or complete songwriter, watch him here: the way he's moving with the music, closes his eyes - he's feeling it.
That Jagger has always been underrated.
I should add that as a self-taught musician, I've always recognized Mick's natural feel for playing keyboards and guitar - you can't learn feel and Jagger has that in spades when he plays.
Keyboards on Fool to Cry, Memory Motel...a great Emotional Rescue outtake: What Gives You the Right... to do the Things you do......
Lovely and, again, soulful.
You lost me there
I was referring to the liner notes on Black'n'Blue. They say three guitars; Mick, Keith and Ronnie. There are only three guitar tracks, and Keith is obviously doing the fills - so I imagined it was easy to spot Mick doing the rhythm guitar. Didn't mean to be cocky - sorry 
What is the context of these stills? It must be from somewhere later on the '72 tour.
Mathijs
I've always understood that Jimmy Page is only playing the solo.
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Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: March 19, 2010 13:45
Ronnie is about a tenth of a second earlier than Keith, starting Miss You
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: November 1, 2010 14:33
Little Red Rooster - Brian
Off the Hook - Brian
2 1 2 0
Off the Hook - Brian
2 1 2 0
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 1, 2010 14:50
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flilflam
I had always assumed that Keith, since he wrote all or most of the songs, was the one to play the opening chords to kick off the tune. I have always wondered who played the opening licks for these songs. Was it Jagger, Wood, Taylor, or maybe a guest guitarist such as Wayne Perkins?
Slave-Wood? Keith
Rain Fall Down-Jagger?
Can't You Hear Me Knocking-Taylor, according to Jagger, but others say Keith Of course Keith
Heart of Stone-Jones? Keith
Bitch-Keith or Taylor? Taylor
Someone help me out. I am trying to compile a list of all Stones songs whose opening notes are not played by Richards.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 1, 2010 17:31
Quote
WeLoveYou
I believe Mick Taylor played the opening guitar (panned left) on I Got The Blues? ..Closely followed by Keith (panned right, with tremelo efftect).
Correct.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 1, 2010 17:35
Quote
MathijsQuote
marcovandereijkQuote
DandelionPowderman
<Ventilator Blues is Mick Taylor.>
(Quotes found on time is on our side)
Actually not: [www.timeisonourside.com]
Both Taylor and Keith play slide on this track, and I think it's been confirmed here many times that it's Keith playing the opening riff, not Taylor.
I guess it will always remain a mystery, but the fact that this is the only song they
ever gave songwriting credit to Mick Taylor, is a strong indication that he's the one
to come up with the idea of the song. In the case of Ventilator Blues I'd say the general
idea of the song IS the opening riff.
I know it is open for discussion whether providing a riff to a song should be considered
something to get songwriting credits for. But as I said, this will always remain one
of the mysteries of The Stones.
Well, not really a mystery -it's Keith doing the opening riff, and it's also Keith live and during the Dallas rehearsals.
Mathijs
Live:
Dallas (1972 Tour) Rehearsals:
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: November 1, 2010 18:10
Quote
kleermakerQuote
MathijsQuote
marcovandereijkQuote
DandelionPowderman
<Ventilator Blues is Mick Taylor.>
(Quotes found on time is on our side)
Actually not: [www.timeisonourside.com]
Both Taylor and Keith play slide on this track, and I think it's been confirmed here many times that it's Keith playing the opening riff, not Taylor.
I guess it will always remain a mystery, but the fact that this is the only song they
ever gave songwriting credit to Mick Taylor, is a strong indication that he's the one
to come up with the idea of the song. In the case of Ventilator Blues I'd say the general
idea of the song IS the opening riff.
I know it is open for discussion whether providing a riff to a song should be considered
something to get songwriting credits for. But as I said, this will always remain one
of the mysteries of The Stones.
Well, not really a mystery -it's Keith doing the opening riff, and it's also Keith live and during the Dallas rehearsals.
Mathijs
Live:
Dallas (1972 Tour) Rehearsals:
We cannot turn back the clock.
They shoud have left all slide work to Taylor on tis track
Keith slide playing is too sloppy imo,certainly when alcohol is involved and you're not that experienced or talented as a slide player.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: November 1, 2010 18:22
You can smell Keith's breath from listening to a song?
Blimey...the technology on bootlegs these days is incredible!
Blimey...the technology on bootlegs these days is incredible!
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
lucasd4
()
Date: November 1, 2010 18:34
Jagger plays the riff in "Winter." He also plays the opening riff of "Crazy Mama."
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: November 1, 2010 18:45
Quote
lucasd4
He also plays the opening riff of "Crazy Mama."
Amazing job, I always thought that was Keith.
Simular to Keith.Or the other way around.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
lucasd4
()
Date: November 1, 2010 19:10
Yes, Mick plays the "Crazy Mama" intro and the main rhythm part throughout the song (left channel). Keith comes in around the 4 second mark playing the rhythm licks (right channel).
quote=Amsterdamned]
Amazing job, I always thought that was Keith.
Simular to Keith.Or the other way around.[/quote]
quote=Amsterdamned]
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lucasd4
He also plays the opening riff of "Crazy Mama."
Amazing job, I always thought that was Keith.
Simular to Keith.Or the other way around.
[/quote]Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 1, 2010 19:18
Amazing job? Read the liner notes
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: November 1, 2010 19:23
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Amazing job? Read the liner notes
Give the guys a break...to copy them is one thing ..to invent things is quite another matter.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Claire_M
()
Date: November 1, 2010 22:41
Paint It Black - Brian?
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: November 1, 2010 23:11
PMS-MT
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Nimrod
()
Date: November 1, 2010 23:23
Mick on I Go Wild.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
stupidguy2
()
Date: November 1, 2010 23:44
Quote
ablett
"Mick Jagger is reaching higher skills than the other reputated guitar players of the band"
Love it, if you guys repeat the rubbish enough times it starts to become fact....
Learn something new everyday.
And don't forget Jagger's keyboard gifts.
My non-musician friend always dismisses Jagger's playing too.
But as a guitarist, I could always tell that Jagger, while not necessarily technically proficient, had a great feel as a guitarist. Listen to stuff where Jagger opens it up - like Stop Breaking Down, Fingerprint File or Winter or Till the Next Time, Heaven etc - these songs are simple chord-wise, but the syncopatated rhythm cadences are organic and soulful.
That's a real musician.
Or better yet, watch and listen to that scene in CS Blues where Mick is playing that pretty song on the piano. He;s basically fooling around with the beginnings of a song with a few chords. The chords are beautiful minor 7s and then he goes into a sort of bridge and chorus......
Anyone who doesn't believe Jagger is a great musician or complete songwriter, watch him here: the way he's moving with the music, closes his eyes - he's feeling it.
That Jagger has always been underrated.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: November 1, 2010 23:47
<That Jagger has always been underrated.>
Agreed.
He pulled the Stones wagon.
Agreed.
He pulled the Stones wagon.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
stupidguy2
()
Date: November 1, 2010 23:58
Quote
Amsterdamned
<That Jagger has always been underrated.>
Agreed.
He pulled the Stones wagon.
I should add that as a self-taught musician, I've always recognized Mick's natural feel for playing keyboards and guitar - you can't learn feel and Jagger has that in spades when he plays.
Keyboards on Fool to Cry, Memory Motel...a great Emotional Rescue outtake: What Gives You the Right... to do the Things you do......
Lovely and, again, soulful.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 2, 2010 10:13
Quote
AmsterdamnedQuote
DandelionPowderman
Amazing job? Read the liner notes
Give the guys a break...to copy them is one thing ..to invent things is quite another matter.
You lost me there
I was referring to the liner notes on Black'n'Blue. They say three guitars; Mick, Keith and Ronnie. There are only three guitar tracks, and Keith is obviously doing the fills - so I imagined it was easy to spot Mick doing the rhythm guitar. Didn't mean to be cocky - sorry Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
proudmary
()
Date: November 2, 2010 11:46
Very interesting tread. Thanks everybody
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
magee mineko
()
Date: November 2, 2010 14:59
"STONES IN EXILE" 0:25:56~
Mick Jagger plays the riff of "Ventilator Blues" on the Micawber.
Mick Jagger plays the riff of "Ventilator Blues" on the Micawber.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: November 2, 2010 17:55
Quote
magee mineko
"STONES IN EXILE" 0:25:56~
Mick Jagger plays the riff of "Ventilator Blues" on the Micawber.
What is the context of these stills? It must be from somewhere later on the '72 tour.
Mathijs
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Claire_M
()
Date: November 2, 2010 18:05
One Hit to the Body - Jimmy Page? (reportedly)
Speaking of the Dark Lord, he also played on "Heart of Stone" but I don't know how prominently.
Speaking of the Dark Lord, he also played on "Heart of Stone" but I don't know how prominently.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
Nimrod
()
Date: November 2, 2010 18:26
Quote
Claire_M
One Hit to the Body - Jimmy Page? (reportedly)
Speaking of the Dark Lord, he also played on "Heart of Stone" but I don't know how prominently.
I've always understood that Jimmy Page is only playing the solo.
Re: Non Keith Opening Riffs, and By Whom?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 2, 2010 23:36
The Heart Of Stone from Metamorphosis, that is.
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