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kleermaker
When I saw R & R circus and Jagger and Lennon together it seemed to me that Jagger was impressed by Lennon. In my eyes Jagger showed conspicuously less selfconfident behaviour. Lennon being himself, Jagger in public ... an actor and not authentic.
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Addicted
When Lennon reconciled with Ono she aired her disapprovement with his partying - and hanging out with - Jagger in particular. She was quite into monogamy. And that was not Jagger's strongest side, at the time. He was infamous for his many affairs - despite being married. So Ono stopped Lennon from seing Jagger. Apparently she was OK with him and Keith being friends, because they remained close untill the end.
In her autobiography Bebe Buel - the infamous groupie - (had relationships with Jagger as well as Bowie... at the same time) tells about this era. She was there, most of the time.
AFAIK this rumour was spread by author Albert Goldman in his book about John Lennon. Since his book mainly relies on very dodgy sources I guess we shouldn't take it too seriously.Quote
mickschix
And isn't it funny that John would call Mick a faggot ( I hate that term) when it was rumored that he and Epstein were having a " thing" for years!!
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from timeisonourside.com:
I liked John very much to start. We all had a good relationship with John.
He seemed to be in sympathy with our kind of music, so we used to go out to clubs a lot...
He was educated and very smart and cynical and funny and really amusing company.
He had a very funny take on the rest of the Beatles... But I used to get on with Paul as well.
Paul is very nice and easy to get on with - didn't have the acerbic side. You always knew with John,
you're gonna be on the end of a lot of sarcastic remarks that you weren't always in the mood for.
- Mick Jagger, 1995
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shortfatfanny
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Shortfatfanny, that is a great photo! I am thinking circa 1980, Double Fantasy sessions, by the looks of Lennons hair and specs and he is so skinny. Where did you get that photo?
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batcave
I don't think one should use the Lennon Remembers interview as a litmus test about his feelings about the Stones. No one, besides Yoko, is spared Lennon's wrath. I think he felt that by slamming everyone, he could make a clean start after being a Beatle all those years.
From all accounts, John was arrogant, kind, egotistical, generous and a genius. It was all those things that made him John Lennon and why he's missed. Lennon was far from jealous of the Stones. Lennon's solo work certainly overwhelms the various Stones solo projects, that's for sure. After 1975, all he cared about was his family and living his life on his terms.
I'm sure his relationship with the Stones and Dylan and The Who and everyone else was pretty complicated considering what they all went through at such a young age.
You hit it on the head. he slagged the people he admired most, or saw as his worthy competitors: McCartney, Jagger, Dylan.
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er ... it was released in the US as the b-side to Not Fade Away in march 1964,
and it definitely didn't go "unnoticed".
Plastic Ono Band is an unbelievable album..talk about emotion!!!!I wouldnt dare play it when Im feeling down,Lennon was a very 100% confident young man even in the early days,thats why it shows in R&R Circus clip,more confident than anyone there I would say,he was just that sort of guy,Jagger is nervous,but of course it was The Stones show coming on etc,etc,their project so he had reason to be nervous,Lennon was more mature then too than most of his contempories,and yes!its been said over & over but as far as I am concerned YOKO was the end of the Beatles.I will never forget the time she started wailing at R&R Circus and we kind of looked at each other and thought what the F***K!!!but thought maybe we just arent cool ....then years later I realise,No it was crap!!just watch Ivry Gitlis (Violin) in the Dirty Mac session closely..when she starts the poor guy nearly shits himself,and the rest of the band studiously dont show their feelings..cos NOBODY would say anything about Yoko because you would get Johns wrath,and they knew it.Quote
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behroez
I remember very well the moment i got the news the Beatles broke up. But to my reading John was extremely arrogant, and he really thought that he WAS the Beatles, nay even better. It was due to his attitude that the beatles broke up (Yoko in the studio). and he thought, now i am going to show them all what reall good music is. But unfortunatly for him, solo he was not so great as he had expected. but the Stones on the other hand, hadn't broken up after Brian's death (as Lennon expected) in fact it had only made them more famous, nay, the Stones were the biggest band around, end 60's beginning 70's, And in these remarks of Lennon towards Jagger is a bitter undertone of envy towards the Stones having betrayed him, by not splitting up as the Beatles did, and were in fact rolling up hill like anything. Lennon's ego just couldn't stand it that the Stones were bigger than he was without the Beatles (and he didn't expect it to happen, so convinced of his own genius)
Not so great? Plastic Ono Band is the best of all the Beatle solo albums by far. Imagine was almost as good, better if you like hits.
just stoned,not outa their brains tho..couldnt afford to be like that when you have to play and TV show etc,etc,drunk was more like it with some dope.Quote
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kleermaker
When I saw R & R circus and Jagger and Lennon together it seemed to me that Jagger was impressed by Lennon. In my eyes Jagger showed conspicuously less selfconfident behaviour. Lennon being himself, Jagger in public ... an actor and not authentic.
...They were (all) completely stoned out of their brains, Kleer. Especially Jagger, imo.
She aired her disapprovement alright!!she wanted him to herself,away from those kinda guys..its called a control freak..she knew EXACTLY what she wanted outa John,and she got it,world attention,further her career,get noticed and a guy who would kill you verbally if you said Boo about her..YES! she is a clever B****.Quote
Addicted
Mick and Lennon were indeed neighbours on Central Park West. Lennon on number 72, Jagger just on the next block. During Lennon's "lost weekend", he changed his ways - and moved focus from "Ono ONLY" to May Peng, partying, drugs and hanging out with his pals.
His bad boy days saw him hanging out with people like David Bowie, Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, Harry Nelson, Eric Clapton and a few other party lions with quite unhealthy lifestyles. When Lennon reconciled with Ono she aired her disapprovement with his partying - and hanging out with - Jagger in particular. She was quite into monogamy. And that was not Jagger's strongest side, at the time. He was infamous for his many affairs - despite being married. So Ono stopped Lennon from seing Jagger. Apparently she was OK with him and Keith being friends, because they remained close untill the end.
In her autobiography Bebe Buel - the infamous groupie - (had relationships with Jagger as well as Bowie... at the same time) tells about this era. She was there, most of the time.
Exhibition of his clothes with the blood still on it.Ye!thats Yoko alright,how very artistic you horrible woman,got a few more thousand for that exhibition did you?Pull the other leg!its got bells on it.Quote
elunsi
I think it was 2 years ago when Yoko did her exhibition with the clothes that still had John´s blood on it. She was asked how it was to live with John, I guess, I don´t remember the question, i only remember the answer, and that was: we used to spend a lot of time with our friends like Mick and Bianca (and another couple). So much to their relationship.
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Honestman
Well Well Well oh Well !
Lots of interesting comments...
A special thank to Claudine for the pictures and Schillid for the screen caps.
Most of your thoughts are quite the same that those I had but I 've learn something new here and there, and that's great so once again thanks to all !
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MARSBARjust stoned,not outa their brains tho..couldnt afford to be like that when you have to play and TV show etc,etc,drunk was more like it with some dope.Quote
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kleermaker
When I saw R & R circus and Jagger and Lennon together it seemed to me that Jagger was impressed by Lennon. In my eyes Jagger showed conspicuously less selfconfident behaviour. Lennon being himself, Jagger in public ... an actor and not authentic.
...They were (all) completely stoned out of their brains, Kleer. Especially Jagger, imo.
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I also think it a shame that Chapman is still on this earth.
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Beelyboy
i wanna be your man was a breakthru for the stones...
Beatle fans tend to overrate the importance of I Wanna Be Your Man. It didn't even enter the UK top 10, and passed by the rest of the world totally unnoticed, in the rest of the world people had never heard of it untill it was released as a kind of obscure curiosa on compilation albums. In 1963 Andrew wanted the Stones to come up with a "hitsingle", he thought that they could not have a hit with the R&B covers. And that's the story of the Stones coming up with come On and later Be Your Man. But it didn't really work, and the complaint at the time in the British music media was that the Stones were not able to put on record the exciting sound that they were allready famous for (right from 1962 onwards) as a club circuit sensation. Beginning 1964 Oldham started to give up on the idea of a "hitsingle" and let the Stones record what they loved and were good at, R&B covers, and that was Not Fade Away, and that was their international breakthrough. The rest is history
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Beelyboy
u missing the impact of that number. in FACT, and one of us is wrong bubba...this is their second single and their first charting single ever...even if it was not top ten. john had shown up at a stones rehearsal in early sept. 63 with the song...u can get the history from timeisonourside.com and many other sources if so inclined.
it's only the facts...
come on didn't chart this one did. contemporaneous, generally with first uk ep etc...etc...u think that didn't make a difference in their career? uh not to mention the Beatles were exploding like nothing ever did before in show biz...at that level anyway....and the stones were completely unknown in states and virtually unknown in UK...context is important methinks...ka ching. charting is what makes money and tremendous free publicity promo everywhere....especially for starting out young cowboys...it's what made kinks animals elvis everyone viable in the business period...
...consider at your convenience thank you,