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kleermaker
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"btw,Who the devil are you??" quote Amsterdamned

But Amsterdamned, I also don't know who you are! Most of us here don't know each other I guess. Why are you asking that?

Well you gave me the slight impression that you know me..

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kleermaker
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"btw,Who the devil are you??" quote Amsterdamned

But Amsterdamned, I also don't know who you are! Most of us here don't know each other I guess. Why are you asking that?

Well you gave me the slight impression that you know me..

Well, A., I know nothing of you, except your nickname and your posts here. I even don't know in which country you live, how old you are etc. So don't worry

But I'm indeed rather quick in 'knowing' people even when I don't know them.
Some sort of talent. There's a very interesting dialogue of Plato about that phenomenon, with of course Sokrates as the main figure. I've translated that myself from Greek into Dutch. Well, now you know more about me than I about you

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mickschix
Kleermaker, I happen to think that rock 'n roll is loaded with creative artists, many that I would consider genius....three of the Beatles,( yup, just 3) Dylan, Mick & Keith, Pete Townsend, Joni Mitchell, Hendrix, Brian Wilson, Stevie Wonder, Bowie, Ray Davies, Clapton, Paul Simon, Elton John, and I'm sure I could name a few more from my own list but that may be stretching it a bit. Many from my list I consider poets, those who have an extraordinary way with words. Everyone has their own list...let's see a few!

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Just wondering if you ever heard the song "La Da La" from Ian McLagan's first album Troublemaker, where he references Jack "King" Kirby in the line, "Ive read every Lee & Kirby comic book/But it's fantasy..."

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Kleermaker, I happen to think that rock 'n roll is loaded with creative artists, many that I would consider genius....three of the Beatles,( yup, just 3) Dylan, Mick & Keith, Pete Townsend, Joni Mitchell, Hendrix, Brian Wilson, Stevie Wonder, Bowie, Ray Davies, Clapton, Paul Simon, Elton John, and I'm sure I could name a few more from my own list but that may be stretching it a bit. Many from my list I consider poets, those who have an extraordinary way with words. Everyone has their own list...let's see a few!

Mickschix, I like this game and often have this debate with my friends, who are all music lovers but not neccessarily as Rock-influenced as my taste: who will be remembered as the real musical geniuses of this era in a hundred or two hundred years? By that we mean, the ones who changed the course of popular (not pop) music and created new forms of music,as opposed to excelling in existing musical genres. After much argument, we usually come up with the following:

Miles Davis - created whole new style of music and changed the face of Jazz more than any other artist

James Brown - created funk music and half of hip-hop's DNA

Kraftwerk: created modern Electronic music (and everything Dance music related) and the inspiration for the other half of hip-hop's DNA

The Beatles & The Velvet Underground: created the template for the two halves of guitar-based music as we know it now, and still provide the inspiration for the majority of bands today (melodic or dissonant)

This is far as we ever agree - My votes for the Stones, Bob Dylan & David Bowie get shouted down on the grounds that they all perfected existing musical genres (R'n'B, Blues, Folk, Rock'n'Roll etc) rather than creating new ones...

What do you think - grounds for debate?

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frank zappa = genius

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kingkirby

Just wondering if you ever heard the song "La Da La" from Ian McLagan's first album Troublemaker, where he references Jack "King" Kirby in the line, "Ive read every Lee & Kirby comic book/But it's fantasy..."

hey loog droog, I haven't got that album, but you're spot on for the inspiration behind my name - I'm a very big Kirby fan - now he was a genius!

And funnily enough the Stan Lee / Jack Kirby arguments run pretty much exactly the same as Lennon & McCartney...

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Amsterdamned
I feel sorry Lennon was shot, please don't misunderstand me..
But as a musician to me he was just one of those many overrated singer songwriters with a hippy message playing three chords you find on every corner of the street. mc Cartney was the musical and harmonic brain behind the the Beatles,
Jagger was 50% of the Stones.

I'am talking about Jagger-Lennon and their impact on the Stones and the Beatles.I cannot see why Keith admired Lennon as a musician.Once more,as a human being:nothing
wrong about John.

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kingkirby
Hey Mickschix,

Yes you and mtaylor are absolutely right: The Blues need to be represented and Robert Johnson should be the one for that - I don't know if you could call him the creator of the Blues, but like Miles Davis he developed something completely new and set a template that musicians were still copying decades later...

I guess we should also add Little Richard & Chuck Berry (maybe even Ike Turner?) for their part in shaping Rock 'n' Roll...

But you're also right - you don't have to be an innovator to be a genius - all those names you mentioned earlier deserve the title, I was more thinking about those musicians who might be mentioned in two hundred years time if some kid in music class is forced to write a quick paragraph on 'The history of 20th Century music'...

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Can't remember the name but wasn't there some guy before RJ, and some of RJ's songs seemed to have borrowed heavily from him...not making a claim here, but maybe someone can add to this, I'd just like to know.