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genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: swiss ()
Date: January 31, 2010 23:58

"Genius" can be however you define it, for example...

- musically (I believe probably both Keith and Mick - native musical intelligence);

- a mind of sheer brilliance (Keith yes; don't see it for Mick)

- or anything else (like Mick for many years had unerring gauge of zeitgeist and trends; Mick has business acumen...not sure if genius tho)

What do you think?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-01 00:42 by swiss.

Re: genius...(a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Edith Grove ()
Date: February 1, 2010 00:01

Genius, perhaps, but only when working together.


Re: genius...(a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: bernardanderson ()
Date: February 1, 2010 00:18

genius? no.

Re: genius...(a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: kleermaker ()
Date: February 1, 2010 01:17

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bernardanderson
genius? no.

Would (a) true genius(es) be so severely critized and effect so much negativity among a great part of his/her/their fans? Just a rhetorical question.

Re: genius...(a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: behroez ()
Date: February 1, 2010 01:22

Quote
kleermaker
Would (a) true genius(es) be so severely critized and effect so much negativity among a great part of his/her/their fans? Just a rhetorical question.

Geniuses are mostly critisiced and hated by the masses, you should know that smiling smiley

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: slew ()
Date: February 1, 2010 01:29

Genius's no, Great when working together yes.

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: ROLLINGSTONE ()
Date: February 1, 2010 02:12

Genius is a wildly over applied adjective in most fields such as music, literature,sport,acting et al.

Re: genius...(a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: kleermaker ()
Date: February 1, 2010 02:25

Quote
behroez
Quote
kleermaker
Would (a) true genius(es) be so severely critized and effect so much negativity among a great part of his/her/their fans? Just a rhetorical question.

Geniuses are mostly critisiced and hated by the masses, you should know that smiling smiley

But the masses aren't critisizing the Glimmers, on the contrary, but we, the elite are, behroez



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Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Bliss ()
Date: February 1, 2010 02:28

Neither.

To me, what set them apart and made them successful was that Mick has a unique voice, and his youthful beauty was so unusual as to seem unique.

Added to that, timing--the post-war economic boom; the British invasion; the novelty of black American blues filtered through a white English perspective.

Plus, Andrew Oldham's marketing strategy.

Plus, Mick's above-average intelligence and determination to succeed.

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: February 1, 2010 02:28

Depends on duration and what it is.

So it's a yes and a no answer.

Mick - Let's Work - NO.
Keith - Winning Ugly - NO.

Rock And A Hard Place - NO.

Midnight Rambler, Monkey Man, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, Sweet Virginia, Some Girls, Hang Fire, TATOO YOU, etc... - YES.

Hope that clears it up.

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: ROLLINGSTONE ()
Date: February 1, 2010 02:31


Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: February 1, 2010 02:34

Just GLIMMER TWINS>grinning smiley<

HMN
[collectingthestones.blogspot.com]

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Date: February 1, 2010 02:51

comparing apples to oranges.

as a guitar player I vote for keef though

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: rollmops ()
Date: February 1, 2010 02:53

Geniuses I don't know but they(Mick and Keith) have written quite a few songs over a long period of time that are amazing and that is genius. Pop music as silly as it may be is nonetherless a tough game to play if you want to stay at the top. To do it well but for a long time that is the genius right there!.
Rock and Roll,
Mops

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Marhsall ()
Date: February 1, 2010 03:00

When did Keith write winng ugly? skipstone?

"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: kleermaker ()
Date: February 1, 2010 03:07

Quote
Bliss
Neither.

To me, what set them apart and made them successful was that Mick has a unique voice, and his youthful beauty was so unusual as to seem unique.

Added to that, timing--the post-war economic boom; the British invasion; the novelty of black American blues filtered through a white English perspective.

Plus, Andrew Oldham's marketing strategy.

Plus, Mick's above-average intelligence and determination to succeed.

I doubt if Mick has such a relevant "above-average intelligence" that it matters. But the question why the Rolling Stones are, or were, such a success is an interesting one, though I strongly doubt if behroez thinks the same. It needs some kind of serious analysis, you know, because many factors and variables are involved. Btw: I never met any woman who found Mick a beauty when he was young. To me he was ugly and handsome at the same time. The same can be said about his voice. I know many people who dislike his voice. But I like his voice, well, not his present voice and sometimes his singing was horrible, especially life.

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: February 1, 2010 03:17

It's not that Keith 'wrote' Winning Ulgy - it's that he actually considered - and did - play on it.

To borrow a title from someone else, a momentary lapse of reason.

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Marhsall ()
Date: February 1, 2010 03:20

understood now... and yes horrible song!

"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: February 1, 2010 03:37

E. All of the above.

Also: E. All of the above for Fool/idiot.

Time/place/situation for everything.

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Bliss ()
Date: February 1, 2010 04:57

>>Btw: I never met any woman who found Mick a beauty when he was young. To me he was ugly and handsome at the same time. The same can be said about his voice. I know many people who dislike his voice. But I like his voice, well, not his present voice and sometimes his singing was horrible, especially life.

I always thought Mick was considered very beautiful when he was young, around the time of Performance and R&R Circus especially. He really came into his own around then. Initially, people thought he looked like a freak. But because he is so thin, his face aged very quickly.

As to his voice,I agree with the director of Alfie who commented that Mick has a voice that comes along once in a lifetime, a voice made for the blues.

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: February 1, 2010 08:51

Here's a genius, the man that formed The Rolling Stones



Brian Jones

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: jamesfdouglas ()
Date: February 1, 2010 09:16

They showed creative genius in their peak, yes. Both of them.

[thepowergoats.com]

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: KeithNacho ()
Date: February 1, 2010 09:19

Genius are:
John Lennon
Bob Dylan
Jimmy Hendrix

Anyway, is much better for me to be a RS rather than to be a genius! IMHO

Re: genius...(a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Filip020169 ()
Date: February 1, 2010 11:32

Quote
kleermaker
Would (a) true genius(es) be so severely critized and effect so much negativity among a great part of his/her/their fans? Just a rhetorical question.


"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
(epigraph - taken from: Jonathan Swift - 'Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting'.)

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: February 1, 2010 16:09


Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: franzk ()
Date: February 1, 2010 17:20

Mozart was genius. Mick & Keith are decent entertainers.

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: kleermaker ()
Date: February 1, 2010 20:57

Quote
franzk
Mozart was genius. Mick & Keith are decent entertainers.

And, once, very good songwriters and musicians too.
At least, I don't know a better rock/blues band (though, like 71Tele justly remarked, you have the Rolling Stones, the Rolling Stones, the Rolling Stones and the Rolling Stones) and it's the only band whose music I love and enjoy on such a large scale.

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: February 1, 2010 21:32


Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: duke richardson ()
Date: February 1, 2010 21:56

neither. its only rock and roll.

Leonardo da Vinci...now thats a genius

Re: genius...? (a) Keith Richards (b) Mick Jagger (c) both (d) neither
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: February 1, 2010 22:04

Ahhh, in the context of what they have done that's superb? Genius. I think that's what it's about anyway.

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