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behroez
Me thinks it to be more cruel to replace Woody with Taylor after all Wood has been loyal to the Stones for 35 yrs now (unlike Taylor who just walked out before a tour).
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Before a recording session wasn't it?
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Before a recording session wasn't it?
I read that the Stones were in the process of arranging a US tour when Taylor just walked out, Jagger than told Taylor to look at it as a leave for six months, the tour got postponed, but Taylor didn't come back after those six months. One of the reasons why Taylor left is because he thought that the Stones were basically not good enough for his brilliance, which is an attitude that Wood never had, that's why it is unthinkable for Taylor to replace Wood. So either in Keith's place or not at all.
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kleermaker
Then you're the only guy in the whole wide world who exactly knows why Taylor left, except Taylor himself. Very special indeed, sir.
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wild_horse_pete
I think we all love Mick Taylor, we don`t like the posture from some of the Taylor fans.
It has nothing to do with the best or who`s better, it all had to do with feeling.
I really don`t get it that grown men are discussing about guitar players who are better.
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Who do you mean by "we" (second we)?
Seemingly you've missed the real issue of the discussion here and in the other Ronnie-thread.
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wild_horse_pete
I think we all love Mick Taylor, we don`t like the posture from some of the Taylor fans.
It has nothing to do with the best or who`s better, it all had to do with feeling.
I really don`t get it that grown men are discussing about guitar players who are better.
Please get a live all
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wild_horse_pete
I think we all love Mick Taylor, we don`t like the posture from some of the Taylor fans.
It has nothing to do with the best or who`s better, it all had to do with feeling.
I really don`t get it that grown men are discussing about guitar players who are better.
Please get a live all
what do you expect to happen on a Stones fan board? It's either this or speculate about brian's lost contributions.
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wild_horse_pete
I think we all love Mick Taylor, we don`t like the posture from some of the Taylor fans.
It has nothing to do with the best or who`s better, it all had to do with feeling.
I really don`t get it that grown men are discussing about guitar players who are better.
Please get a live all
Who do you mean by "we" (second we)?
Seemingly you've missed the real issue of the discussion here and in the other Ronnie-thread.
By `we` i mean the rolling stones fans, seemingly you`ve missed the real issue of this thread, it has nothing to do with Mick Taylor, it`s just that you make it a Ronnie versus Taylor thread.
And by the way, i really don`t like you`re attitude, you think that you are far more sophisticated then the other users here on this forum.
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DandelionPowderman
<"Ron Wood made a vital contribution to exactly ONE great Stones album">
Black and Blue (Hey Negrita)
Some Girls (Lies)
Emotional Rescue (Summer Romance)
Tattoo You (Black Limousine)
Undercover (Undercover Of The Night)
Dirty Work (Title track)
Of course, there are lots of other examples.Ronnie Wood made great contributions on all of those albums. Let´s all agree on that, without comparing who´s the better guitar player.
Well, the word I used was "great" Stones album. Sorry but I do not think Undercover, Dirty Work, Emotional Rescue or Black and Blue are "great", though some are good.
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pmk251
I would LOVE to hear Taylor play the SG songs, especially live. That album is a classic only relatively speaking. It's trashy and mindless, but it's fun. I have said before: Taylor could have made that album something it isn't ... musically interesting.
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kleermaker
The fact that you more and more got moved by SG instead of the Taylor-era music tells us something about your emotional development. It seems as if you are in your second youth. If that's not nostalgia I don't what is. Boy, it's even enviable!
I learn something new about my self every day! I too generally prefer SG to most of the Taylor era music (with the exception of Exile). Am I in my second youth? Am I nostalgic?
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KeithNacho
The funk-punk-reggae era wouldn't be posible with classsic bluesy style of MT. Everytime has it own style; i mean, until the end of 70s or beggining of 80s, Rolling Stones's music was a picture of what was happening with music in each era. Without RW, the stones surely had died musically under the new wave and punk music stream of that time.
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In all honesty thats quite a cruel mean thought,Keith cant help having Arthritis,and it would break his heart no matter how tough he thinks he is...I love Taylors playing but i wouldnt dream of such a thing.
Me thinks it to be more cruel to replace Woody with Taylor afterall Wood has been loyal to the Stones for 35 yrs now (unlike Taylor who just walked out before a tour). And really Keith wasn't so concerned about cruel when he ditched Brian when Brian couldn't function anymore, It is actually more cruel of Keith to hang on to and drag down the thing he claims to love if he can't live up to it anymore.
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KeithNacho
The funk-punk-reggae era wouldn't be posible with classsic bluesy style of MT. Everytime has it own style; i mean, until the end of 70s or beggining of 80s, Rolling Stones's music was a picture of what was happening with music in each era. Without RW, the stones surely had died musically under the new wave and punk music stream of that time.
No, without Mick Jagger's ability to cope with the latest trends the Stones had died. Ronnie Wood's contribution was to look good and follow the orders. Which he did good.
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KeithNacho
The funk-punk-reggae era wouldn't be posible with classsic bluesy style of MT. Everytime has it own style; i mean, until the end of 70s or beggining of 80s, Rolling Stones's music was a picture of what was happening with music in each era. Without RW, the stones surely had died musically under the new wave and punk music stream of that time.
No, without Mick Jagger's ability to cope with the latest trends the Stones had died. Ronnie Wood's contribution was to look good and follow the orders. Which he did good.
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The "Ron Wood Saved The Stones" mantra is an utter myth.
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kleermaker
So you say the people on the IORR-site are comparable to "the masses"?
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kleermaker
So you say the people on the IORR-site are comparable to "the masses"?
There are masses and masses, the masses of shopkeepers, the masses of voters, the masses of....Rolling Stones fans. Still masses, the same rule applies.
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kleermaker
So you say the people on the IORR-site are comparable to "the masses"?
There are masses and masses, the masses of shopkeepers, the masses of voters, the masses of....Rolling Stones fans. Still masses, the same rule applies.
But you forget one crucial fact, namely that only a very small percentage of the masses of Rolling Stones fans do post here on IORR. And you can't make me believe that that small percentage is representative for the 'big' mass of RS fans. And even if it were representative then my remarks remain just.
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kleermaker
So you say the people on the IORR-site are comparable to "the masses"?
There are masses and masses, the masses of shopkeepers, the masses of voters, the masses of....Rolling Stones fans. Still masses, the same rule applies.
But you forget one crucial fact, namely that only a very small percentage of the masses of Rolling Stones fans do post here on IORR. And you can't make me believe that that small percentage is representative for the 'big' mass of RS fans. And even if it were representative then my remarks remain just.
Yeah, within IORR visitors there is only a big-mouthed minority that is active here in "Tell Me", and seemingly they are not very good representive of all visitors. For example, A BIGGER BANG TOUR was voted the best tour ever by the majority here. The 'infamous' Taylorites is quite a small group in the 'real' Stones world I would say...but it is not the quantity that matters...
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kleermaker
But you forget one crucial fact, namely that only a very small percentage of the masses of Rolling Stones fans do post here on IORR. And you can't make me believe that that small percentage is representative for the 'big' mass of RS fans. And even if it were representative then my remarks remain just.
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DandelionPowderman
Obviously, people change during 35 years, and Taylor is not what he once was. That goes for his sound/tone, his leads (very often without a pick nowadays) and his timing. Still a great player, though. I've seen him three times (One great, one good/mediocre and one bad show).
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kleermaker
But you forget one crucial fact, namely that only a very small percentage of the masses of Rolling Stones fans do post here on IORR. And you can't make me believe that that small percentage is representative for the 'big' mass of RS fans. And even if it were representative then my remarks remain just.
So if it were representative your remark remains just. Well, go to any other Stones site or go to Musicmeter.nl and look up what the readers of those sites have choosen in the top of their RS album top 10;
1] Exile on Mainstreet
2] Let it Bleed
3] Sticky Fingers
4] Beggars Banquet
The nr 2 till 4 are interchangeble but it is everywhere among the general consesus of MASSES of Stonesfans that these four are the top 4 albums with everywhere Exile on top of the list. So has the massess of Stonesfans spoken. And what was your remark again?
THE MINORITY IS USUALLY RIGHT, THE MAJORITY IS MOSTLY WRONG, HISTORY PROOFS THAT, THERE ARE LESS SENSITIVE AN INTELLEGENT PEOPLE THAN....WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
You just shot yourself in your foot by calling yourself insensitive and lacking intellegence.
Now don't get offended it is your own words not mine, i would never ever think in those kind of terms. And really don't worry we all catch ourselves out from time to time (at least i do,...... quite a lot actually).
Anyway Ronnie is great and so is Taylor and so is Brian Jones and everybody else.
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kleermaker
But you forget one crucial fact, namely that only a very small percentage of the masses of Rolling Stones fans do post here on IORR. And you can't make me believe that that small percentage is representative for the 'big' mass of RS fans. And even if it were representative then my remarks remain just.
So if it were representative your remark remains just. Well, go to any other Stones site or go to Musicmeter.nl and look up what the readers of those sites have choosen in the top of their RS album top 10;
1] Exile on Mainstreet
2] Let it Bleed
3] Sticky Fingers
4] Beggars Banquet
The nr 2 till 4 are interchangeble but it is everywhere among the general consesus of MASSES of Stonesfans that these four are the top 4 albums with everywhere Exile on top of the list. So has the massess of Stonesfans spoken. And what was your remark again?
THE MINORITY IS USUALLY RIGHT, THE MAJORITY IS MOSTLY WRONG, HISTORY PROOFS THAT, THERE ARE LESS SENSITIVE AN INTELLEGENT PEOPLE THAN....WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
You just shot yourself in your foot by calling yourself insensitive and lacking intellegence.
Now don't get offended it is your own words not mine, i would never ever think in those kind of terms. And really don't worry we all catch ourselves out from time to time (at least i do,...... quite a lot actually).
Anyway Ronnie is great and so is Taylor and so is Brian Jones and everybody else.
The bottomline of my argument is just that those people on those sites are the 'experts', the elite of the Stonesfans so to say! They're not representative of the big masses, let alone that they're the big mass of RS fans who buy other stuff than the so called big 4 as you've stated over and over again. It's even very doubtful if those buyers are to be considered as Stonesfans. I think you've misled us by suggesting that those who buy a Stonesrecord are automatically Stonesfans. They heard the latest Stonesalbum on the radio and thought: "Hey, nice, the Stones, sounds nice, must be good, let's buy it". That seems a far more logical explanation. So I don't feel hurt in my feet or offended or catched by myself.
So the masses are not the same as the experts. The experts are a minority of Stonesmusic-buyers. The experts on the sites prefer the big 4 to the rest. So an expert minority of all Stonesalbum buying people says the big 4 are the best. On the Dutch Stonesforum the same situation. You may ask yourself seriously if you are a true Stonesexpert or just an ordinary Stonesalbum-buyer.
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The bottomline of my argument is just that those people on those sites are the 'experts', the elite of the Stonesfans so to say! They're not representative of the big masses, let alone that they're the big mass of RS fans who buy other stuff than the so called big 4 as you've stated over and over again. It's even very doubtful if those buyers are to be considered as Stonesfans. I think you've misled us by suggesting that those who buy a Stonesrecord are automatically Stonesfans. They heard the latest Stonesalbum on the radio and thought: "Hey, nice, the Stones, sounds nice, must be good, let's buy it". That seems a far more logical explanation. So I don't feel hurt in my feet or offended or catched by myself
So the masses are not the same as the experts. The experts are a minority of Stonesmusic-buyers. The experts on the sites prefer the big 4 to the rest. So an expert minority of all Stonesalbum buying people says the big 4 are the best. On the Dutch Stonesforum the same situation. You may ask yourself seriously if you are a true Stonesexpert or just an ordinary Stonesalbum-buyer
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misterfrias
What happened to this thread?