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Mathijs
Taylor was a fantastic lead guitarist and a pretty bad rhythm player, Wood was a good lead guitarist and a great rythm player. Taylor is not a composer, Wood wrote some great tracks, including the best post-Exile Stones album of the '70's with I've Got My Own Album to Do. With Wood the Stones became a much better band, with Charlie peaking in '75 and Bill in '81. With Taylor the Stones would not have survived the punk explosion. Taylor can't sing, Wood was a great singer. Taylor has become a fat drunk and Wood still looks like a true R&R outlaw.
When the Stones picked Taylor they could have pickid from a list of Great Blues Lead Guitarists. And all these guitarists would have played some great solo's on Sway and CYHMK, Exile would have been Exile, and the '72 tour would have been no different at all.
With Wood, they only could pick him as he is a true Rolling Stone. And that's what makes him special.
Mathijs
I totally agree with you, great post!!!!!!
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Taylor was a fantastic lead guitarist and a pretty bad rhythm player, Wood was a good lead guitarist and a great rythm player. Taylor is not a composer, Wood wrote some great tracks, including the best post-Exile Stones album of the '70's with I've Got My Own Album to Do. With Wood the Stones became a much better band, with Charlie peaking in '75 and Bill in '81. With Taylor the Stones would not have survived the punk explosion. Taylor can't sing, Wood was a great singer. Taylor has become a fat drunk and Wood still looks like a true R&R outlaw.
When the Stones picked Taylor they could have pickid from a list of Great Blues Lead Guitarists. And all these guitarists would have played some great solo's on Sway and CYHMK, Exile would have been Exile, and the '72 tour would have been no different at all.
With Wood, they only could pick him as he is a true Rolling Stone. And that's what makes him special.
Mathijs
I totally agree with you, great post!!!!!!
I don't. I'm still not sure what a "true Rolling Stone" means. And Sway would have been the same without Taylor? In what parallel universe?
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Mathijs
Taylor was a fantastic lead guitarist and a pretty bad rhythm player, Wood was a good lead guitarist and a great rythm player. Taylor is not a composer, Wood wrote some great tracks, including the best post-Exile Stones album of the '70's with I've Got My Own Album to Do. With Wood the Stones became a much better band, with Charlie peaking in '75 and Bill in '81. With Taylor the Stones would not have survived the punk explosion. Taylor can't sing, Wood was a great singer. Taylor has become a fat drunk and Wood still looks like a true R&R outlaw.
When the Stones picked Taylor they could have pickid from a list of Great Blues Lead Guitarists. And all these guitarists would have played some great solo's on Sway and CYHMK, Exile would have been Exile, and the '72 tour would have been no different at all.
With Wood, they only could pick him as he is a true Rolling Stone. And that's what makes him special.
Mathijs
I totally agree with you, great post!!!!!!
I don't. I'm still not sure what a "true Rolling Stone" means. And Sway would have been the same without Taylor? In what parallel universe?
Just listen to for example the solo on hand of fate, or worried about you, great solos and those are not Mick taylor, so if another great solo player like that(wayne perkings, Harvey Mandel, Clapton,go on and on) would have played on sway it would have been just as great, maybe a little diffrent but just as great, there are so many great solo gitar players that could have been doin that solo.
And a true rolling stone is Mick Keith Brian Charlie Bill Ron, its in the personality and in the hart, Mick Taylors mind was somwhere else(Jack bruce, jazzy fiddling) Thats what its all about in the rolling stones, Its a way of living
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kleermaker
"Just listen to for example the solo on hand of fate, or worried about you, great solos and those are not Mick taylor, so if another great solo player like that(wayne perkings, Harvey Mandel, Clapton,go on and on) would have played on sway it would have been just as great, maybe a little diffrent but just as great, there are so many great solo gitar players that could have been doin that solo." end of quote.
Someone who makes such a statement has nothing understood of Taylor's guitar playing. Because nor Perkins nor Mandel nor Clapton has that melancholic touch that you only can hear if you are open to feelings that emotions. Taylor did it with the Stones even in his soloing in songs like Brown sugar. He added a melancholic streak to all songs that was essential for their 'darkness', which made them the greatest band (without the adjective rock 'n roll). He had such a broad range of emotions that he could play 'aggressive' and melancholic soli at the same time, for instance in Sympathy for the devil on Ya Ya's, which is a powerful and sad solo at the same time. People who think that if one can play fluidly, technically skilfully and fast one is automatically a good (lead) gitarist don't know nothing about musicality and the ability of expressing all kinds of emotions that is implicite in true musicianship. If you think that skilful lead guitarists are 'convertible' you make a great mistake.
As for songs like Respectable, Miss you and When the wip comes down, well .. second class at best.
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As for songs like Respectable, Miss you and When the wip comes down, well .. second class at best.
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ablett
But would Respectable, Whip comes down, miss you been any good with Taylor? Go on be honest!
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"Just listen to for example the solo on hand of fate, or worried about you, great solos and those are not Mick taylor, so if another great solo player like that(wayne perkings, Harvey Mandel, Clapton,go on and on) would have played on sway it would have been just as great, maybe a little diffrent but just as great, there are so many great solo gitar players that could have been doin that solo." end of quote.
Someone who makes such a statement has nothing understood of Taylor's guitar playing. Because nor Perkins nor Mandel nor Clapton has that melancholic touch that you only can hear if you are open to feelings that emotions. Taylor did it with the Stones even in his soloing in songs like Brown sugar. He added a melancholic streak to all songs that was essential for their 'darkness', which made them the greatest band (without the adjective rock 'n roll). He had such a broad range of emotions that he could play 'aggressive' and melancholic soli at the same time, for instance in Sympathy for the devil on Ya Ya's, which is a powerful and sad solo at the same time. People who think that if one can play fluidly, technically skilfully and fast one is automatically a good (lead) gitarist don't know nothing about musicality and the ability of expressing all kinds of emotions that is implicite in true musicianship. If you think that skilful lead guitarists are 'convertible' you make a great mistake.
As for songs like Respectable, Miss you and When the wip comes down, well .. second class at best.
Here we encounter a fundamental problem Kleermaker, Which is that we all have different fingerprints, we are all different people and get moved by different things. As if we are radiosets tuned to different frequencies, I personally get very moved again and again at the way the solo at Just My Imagination finishes and gets back into the interplay with the rhythm. And for me Some Girls is a million times more stirring my soul than any of the 69-76 records can do. And this is a fundamental human problem where we think, because we feel something from something, we know better than somebody else, neigh we even know WHAT IS better for some one else. It seems a small thing but it is the root of many miseery throughout human history.
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Ferret
Ronnie's playing was probably the highlight of the Shine A Light movie for me.
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kleermaker
"Just listen to for example the solo on hand of fate, or worried about you, great solos and those are not Mick taylor, so if another great solo player like that(wayne perkings, Harvey Mandel, Clapton,go on and on) would have played on sway it would have been just as great, maybe a little diffrent but just as great, there are so many great solo gitar players that could have been doin that solo." quote michel.
Someone who makes such a statement has nothing understood of Taylor's guitar playing. Because nor Perkins nor Mandel nor Clapton has that melancholic touch that you only can hear if you are open to feelings and emotions. Taylor did it with the Stones even in his soloing in songs like Brown sugar. He added a melancholic streak to all songs that was essential for their 'darkness', which made them the greatest band (without the adjective rock 'n roll). He had such a broad range of emotions that he could play 'aggressive' and melancholic soli at the same time, for instance in Sympathy for the devil on Ya Ya's, which is a powerful and sad solo at the same time. People who think that if one can play fluidly, technically skilfully and fast one is automatically a good (lead) gitarist don't know nothing about musicality and the ability of expressing all kinds of emotions that is implicite in true musicianship. If you think that skilful lead guitarists are 'convertible' you make a great mistake.
As for songs like Respectable, Miss you and When the wip comes down, well .. second class at best.
Damn, Mathijs, this really does not sound like you. First, to call Mick Taylor a "a pretty bad rhythm player" is a gross exaggeration. Also to dismiss Taylor as a fat drunk who can't sing is to show a great disrespect to a great player who contributed much to the Stones during his tenure. You're entitled to your view but man this is most caustic post you have ever written about a player whom I thought you admired and respected.Quote
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Mathijs
Taylor was a fantastic lead guitarist and a pretty bad rhythm player, Wood was a good lead guitarist and a great rythm player. Taylor is not a composer, Wood wrote some great tracks, including the best post-Exile Stones album of the '70's with I've Got My Own Album to Do. With Wood the Stones became a much better band, with Charlie peaking in '75 and Bill in '81. With Taylor the Stones would not have survived the punk explosion. Taylor can't sing, Wood was a great singer. Taylor has become a fat drunk and Wood still looks like a true R&R outlaw.
When the Stones picked Taylor they could have pickid from a list of Great Blues Lead Guitarists. And all these guitarists would have played some great solo's on Sway and CYHMK, Exile would have been Exile, and the '72 tour would have been no different at all.
With Wood, they only could pick him as he is a true Rolling Stone. And that's what makes him special.
Mathijs
I don't. I'm still not sure what a "true Rolling Stone" means. And Sway would have been the same without Taylor? In what parallel universe?
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bassplayer617
You guitar-fetishists keep going on and on, but fail to realize that the Stones were never a solo-oriented band. You fail to get it, as they briefly hired a solo guy, which in retrospect, might have been a mistake. Hell, they might have done better to hire a keyboardist after Brian died.
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Ferret
Ronnie's playing was probably the highlight of the Shine A Light movie for me.
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ablett
Sweet jesus its like the ol' days with OpenG and MLC all over again....
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kleermaker
"Just listen to for example the solo on hand of fate, or worried about you, great solos and those are not Mick taylor, so if another great solo player like that(wayne perkings, Harvey Mandel, Clapton,go on and on) would have played on sway it would have been just as great, maybe a little diffrent but just as great, there are so many great solo gitar players that could have been doin that solo." quote michel.
Someone who makes such a statement has nothing understood of Taylor's guitar playing. Because nor Perkins nor Mandel nor Clapton has that melancholic touch that you only can hear if you are open to feelings and emotions. Taylor did it with the Stones even in his soloing in songs like Brown sugar. He added a melancholic streak to all songs that was essential for their 'darkness', which made them the greatest band (without the adjective rock 'n roll). He had such a broad range of emotions that he could play 'aggressive' and melancholic soli at the same time, for instance in Sympathy for the devil on Ya Ya's, which is a powerful and sad solo at the same time. People who think that if one can play fluidly, technically skilfully and fast one is automatically a good (lead) gitarist don't know nothing about musicality and the ability of expressing all kinds of emotions that is implicite in true musicianship. If you think that skilful lead guitarists are 'convertible' you make a great mistake.
As for songs like Respectable, Miss you and When the wip comes down, well .. second class at best.
So let's make a comparison that will probably seem absurd to you: the solos on Brown Sugar in Brussels 73 vs Start me Up on Flashpoint. I like what you say about Taylor's melancholy touch, for me his melodic line on BS sounds too much like it was rehearsed beforehand, like it was set in stone when all the rest of the band is in free motion. On the other hand, Ronnie's solo has an offhanded nature, melodic but as if thought on the spot, which sends out a completely different vibe to me. La Bohème... Talent and vivacity, a way of being in the moment. I love how it suddenly falls back to the main riff before moving away from it; no intention to make a statement there, but just to participate in a conversation. This way of playing also has its melancholy aspect - the celebration of the instant as opposed to... what?
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This way of playing also has its melancholy aspect - the celebration of the instant as opposed to... what?