Shit happens. Shows get cancelled. Very unfortunate, but thats life. The real problem has been in the execution of the cancellations. I find it hard to believe that on Thursday night last week Mick was not already "sick" and even more unlikely that he only realized in last afternoon that he could not go on. I won tickets as part of the rollingstones.com contest for 10/31 at the Beacon. I was at Midway airport in Chicago on route to NYC from Dallas when I heard about the cancellation. Again, they did not know the night before when I had a chance of re-scheduling my flights? I was screwed. I just headed back to Dallas with my tail between my legs. No Beacon show in my future. Some prize!!

Couldn't you have stayed and extra day and go tonight

I am sure the tickets were still good for tonights show


CAGWYW Wrote:
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> Shit happens. Shows get cancelled. Very
> unfortunate, but thats life. The real problem has
> been in the execution of the cancellations. I find
> it hard to believe that on Thursday night last
> week Mick was not already "sick" and even more
> unlikely that he only realized in last afternoon
> that he could not go on. I won tickets as part of
> the rollingstones.com contest for 10/31 at the
> Beacon. I was at Midway airport in Chicago on
> route to NYC from Dallas when I heard about the
> cancellation. Again, they did not know the night
> before when I had a chance of re-scheduling my
> flights? I was screwed. I just headed back to
> Dallas with my tail between my legs. No Beacon
> show in my future. Some prize!!

it will be a risky business (to say the least) booking multiple
Euro trips/shows/hotels/flights, for next summer,
(when the schedule is announced), that's for sure.

the timing of the AC postponement was certainly very fishy and handled appallingly, but the postponement of Beacon #2 appears to be simply a genuine case of Mick having throat problems on Sunday night which were aggravated by performing and which they simply hoped wouldnt be bad enough to prevent the Halloween show taking place. They clearly couldnt make a snap judgement on the decision to play the show or pull it right away, so gave it as much time as possible.

The annoucement came very early on Tuesday morning. They certianly knew the night before. The longer they wait the less options people have. Do get me wrong I am not sitting here foaming at the mouth like some folks. Life is full of twists and turns some good (winning tickets) some bad (show cancelled). I am just saying they could have done a better job.

Could not be away from my business for 2 days. One day was painfully enough. If I knew the night before I could have re-scheduled and all would have been good.

This policy of the Stones is very bad.Now the Americanes understand how was the Feeling of the Europeans last year.I lost a lot of money for the cancelation of Nuemberg,Brno and Warsaw!

Mirko Wrote:
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> Now the
> Americanes understand how was the Feeling of the
> Europeans last year.


This year. :-)

JumpingKentFlash

CAGWYW Wrote:
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> The annoucement came very early on Tuesday
> morning. They certianly knew the night before. The
> longer they wait the less options people have. Do
> get me wrong I am not sitting here foaming at the
> mouth like some folks. Life is full of twists and
> turns some good (winning tickets) some bad (show
> cancelled). I am just saying they could have done
> a better job.


It was, more than likely, "sleep on it and call me in the morning" type diagnosis.

CAGWYW Wrote:
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> The annoucement came very early on Tuesday
> morning. They certianly knew the night before. The
> longer they wait the less options people have. Do
> get me wrong I am not sitting here foaming at the
> mouth like some folks. Life is full of twists and
> turns some good (winning tickets) some bad (show
> cancelled). I am just saying they could have done
> a better job.

the postponement was on all three of the main message boards (IORR, Shidoobee and Rocks Off) on Monday evening at around 7 pm ET. As my internet connection was f*cked up yesterday, I dont know when rs.com mentioned it, but the info was certainly public knowledge before Tuesday.

when theres only one day between the two shows and considering they played the first one, theres never going to be much notice if theyre going to postpone the second night. Even last night I got a text from a certain regular here who shall remain nameless but who was in the band's hotel and overheard a conversation between a couple of prominent members of the entourage to the effect that Beacon #2 is still, at this minute, on - but there will be 3 shows postponed to help Mick rest his voice. Turns out the second bit was correct - hopefully the first one is correct too and tonight goes ahead ok

Correct Kent my friend - we are only people and we make mistakes but We say we have made a mistake - sorry for the mistake is our statement!The statement of the Stones- caaaaaaaanccellllllllled -Postpoonooooooooooooooooed - Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
No true reasons!

but gazza doesn't the fact that beacon,and other shows after ac have been cancelled or rescheduled show that thec ac cancelation was genuine.if i read what your thinking,ac was a fix,mick faked a sore throat/larangytis,then did a show 2 days later and got the real laragngytis,makes no sense.but i do agree the lack of playing cancelled shows(europe,now honololu)was wrong.also to know reschedule la,instead of making ac another date altogether,screws up more people and makes no sense.

john scialfa

People so famous, rich and layered from the world are different. How can they care for the regular fan? There world is family and people who will say anything they want them to say. They don't care about cancelling Europe or Honolulu because the people that are affected are to far away from their world. How else could they screw so many people and have a good nights sleep?

Yeah, their egos must be bigger than Texas (sorry, a US analogy)- how can you blame them with their fame and fortune. But, it is sad how we, the hard core fans, are the ones that get soured on our favorite band because of the obvious lack of concern for us. Heck, if you counted up how much we all loss in Honolulu Trips alone, it would equal the law suit that jerk is doing. But, I wouldn't want to take any of their money- It is to important to the Stones; atleast it is more important than their fans.

Mick is ill and he'll sing tonight ?

The rescheduled show, which is being taped for a DVD by director Martin Scorsese, will go ahead Nov. 1 despite the doctor's warnings, a spokeswoman said.
[www.cbc.ca]

I think that Mick is really exhausted but the sore throat is an hoax.

I'm not looking to start an argument......I just hope you will read what I have to say and maybe consider it. I'm gun shy of saying very much over here because I've learned that people don't listen to what you say. They take a statement you make, twist it around to mean something different, then attack you for a statement you never made to start with. But yeah.....anywayz.....
I do understand that everybody is pissed off for losing money........I understand that alot of you feel that you could have been informed earlier of the postponements.......I do however think that alot of the "conspiracy theories" people speak of on here are created out of frustration. I don't blame them for being frustrated. But you know, the Stones are a business and they are human beings. I hope Mick's sickness is genuine and that's the reason for the postponements and cancellations. Some times shit happens. Sometimes you have to cancel dates and fire people that you don't really want to. In life, we all have to do alot of things we don't won't to do.....we have to do alot of things that hurt other people. The Stones have so many people coming to their shows, depending on them, that when something like this happens, alot of people are hurt, pissed off, and left out in the cold. That's life. I understand your positions, but are all these ideas and theories about Mick faking his illness just bourne out of frustration and anger???

I received Ticketmaster's email about the cancellation yesterday at 5 PM, i.e., 3 hours before the show, when the info was available through fan sites since the night before...

obviously...it's UNDERSTANDABLE that Mick could get laryngitus or Keith could cut his finger or whatever...and that shows may need to be canceled or postponed.

what is NOT UNDERSTANDABLE is that Michael Cohl or whomever does the actual scheduling for the tour...insists on scheduling a bunch of 60+ year old guys to a schedule that would be tough for 30 year olds.

I know it's all about $$ but the fans wouldn't mind 1 show per week or 2 per 10 days etc.... It would give the old guys time to recover and the fans would be less likely to get screwed from cancellations.

Other than raising the ticket prices even higher...is there a way the Stones can get the same $$ and ensure a full tour? This might be a stupid question but...is the Stones' actual income based on actual ticket sales + merchandising or is the $$ guaranteed by sponsors no matter how many seats are filled...plus merchandising $$ etc...

Anyway...my point is that we shouldn't get too upset about sore throats etc...that's inevitable....just need to schedule time for recovery. Did I mention they're old?



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Honolulu had nothing to do with the throat problem! It was a opportunity(excuse) to cancel a poor selling show.

Lower the ticket price, and less damage would be done in cases like these.

backstreetboy Wrote:
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> but gazza doesn't the fact that beacon,and other
> shows after ac have been cancelled or rescheduled
> show that thec ac cancelation was genuine.if i
> read what your thinking,ac was a fix,mick faked a
> sore throat/larangytis,then did a show 2 days
> later and got the real laragngytis,makes no
> sense.but i do agree the lack of playing cancelled
> shows(europe,now honololu)was wrong.also to know
> reschedule la,instead of making ac another date
> altogether,screws up more people and makes no
> sense.



I would believe it likely that Mick's excuse for the AC postponement was genuine. he had a sore throat. fair enough. I accept that. he's prone to it, and I genuinely dont think hes someone who pulls out of shows lightly due to ill health.

However, I do think it was entirely preventable. he sang for two or three nights beforehand in rehearsals for the Beacon show which appears to be against the medical advice hes been following for over three years now.

he was rehearsing at the Beacon on thursday evening, yet by Friday morning at 11 am the casinos were giving fans information that the show was not only off but had been postponed until November 17th! I dont believe for a second that the decision to pull that show was taken around lunchtime on the Friday. When I read in the middle of last week that the band had been using their few days off after texas to rehearse each night at the Beacon, I immediately got concerned for the AC show. We're led to believe that had things gone according to schedule, Mick would have rehearsed Tuesday, wednesday and Thursday, performed in AC on Friday and then the Beacon shows on Sunday and Tuesday? This is the schedule of a band whose routine for the entire tour has been such that they dont play successive days, and do no more than a 4 shows/7 days schedule before taking a longer break of 2-3 days without any shows at all.

The story by landover81 on here a few days ago that the crew told him they knew 4 days in advance it wouldnt take place but they had to got through the motions of building the stage before the official announcement for insurance purposes merely fuels the speculation that it was decided well in advance that this show would get pulled to minimise the risk to the Beacon show on Sunday. IMHO Mick aggravated his throat problems by singing the shit out of his voice in rehearsals. I dont claim to KNOW that, but I dont think its rocket science to deduce it. They knew that in doing so, there would be a serious risk to the AC and beacon shows that weekend, so the one with the lower profile got sacrificed - thats my own personal interpretation.

By singing again the other night, hes obviously not helping his condition. His throat needs a rest, but it appears hes taking advance precautions by postponing future shows to give it time to heal - yet at the same time taking a chance by (hopefully) playing tonight at the Beacon, because its going to be much harder to reschedule THAT gig as it depends on the commitments of other people outside the Stones and their crew.

as far as the notice of cancellations go, personally I think theres NO excuse acceptable in delaying official announcements. Plenty of us knew as early as last Saturday that LA was being moved to the date for Honolulu, and that show was being cancelled. No doubt the decision was taken even earlier. Yet tickets remained on TM for those shows and no doubt fans oblivious to the gossip were booking flights and hotels too. They dont seem to grasp or care that not everyone who goes to these concerts lives locally and drives home immediately after the gig is over



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Gazza, you rock! Couldnt of said it better...

I agree with Sweet Neo Con's point.......they're old...This tour has been goin on for a long time now. They've done America, shows in South America, shows in Australia, and a European Tour and now they're back in America......I remember people saying the Stones might have overdone it when they came back to the States for the No Security tour.....but basically, they're old men.......they're in their 60's and don't forget that at least half of their lives were spent in the rock-n-roll lifestyle's fast lane......I think they're tired and they're old.....they've been on this tour a long time and they need a rest....it's no wonder Mick gets a sore throat....

he makes good points, but I dont think the schedule is THAT gruelling. 20 shows in 2 months is hardly arduous

However, I do think its apparent that they havent learned their lesson from previous tours that scheduling stadium shows in cold weather has inevitable consequences

When we drive a car or cross the road we take a life threatning risk. So on our way to an already cancelled gig is not gonna take your life.

>So on our way to an already cancelled gig is not gonna take your life.<

Please explain to me jagger50 what you mean or imply by that.

Gazza.......I agree with you also that the schedule is not THAT grueling but remember, they're old men..I think it would be hard to do what they do at that age.......but then again, they do live in luxury as well....

Yep - and theyre old men with ailments that get worse with age and are harder to shake off.

When you read stories about it being so cold in Chicago that Keith literally couldnt hold a guitar pick on the b-stage and spent most of the 15 minutes he was exposed out there not playing because it appeared he was physically unable to perform any act of manual dexterity with his already arthritic fingers, it makes you shake your head with disbelief at the sheer idiocy of putting the obsession with tour grosses above everything else, including their own health.

If your physical frailty is already somewhat suspect, theres not much point taking chances with it. It'll only come back and bite you in the ass.

Gazza wrote: "so cold in Chicago that Keith literally couldnt hold a guitar pick on the b-stage and spent most of the 15 minutes he was exposed out there not playing because it appeared he was physically unable to perform any act of manual dexterity"
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yep..i was there. witnessed it with my own 2 eyes. thought Chicago was a cryogenics experiment to prolong the tour/money train. my mistake.

We can send a man to the moon but........we can't keep Keith's pinkies warm? Howabout a heated guitar pick! with the logo on it!!! $$$$!!!

seriously...i agree with gazza.

We still have to go to Hawaii, we have non refundable tickets and are no millionaires aaarrrgggh.....

I don't know what to believe, if the Stones are telling the truth or not or didn't cancel the gig right away or not. However, if we give them the benefit of the doubt and to play devil's advocate for a minute, it is perhaps possible for them to have been thinking that there might be a chance they have to cancel AC 4 or how many days before, rumors spread through their organization/crew members and someone thought they heard that it was off when it was just a wait and see deal. I think that rehearsals aren't as grueling as a show, so maybe they were rehearsing and watching Mick's voice to see how it was doing. Then, they decide on Friday morning that the show is off, send out the info, and then Ticketmaster or whoever sends out the emails is slow in sending it out.
I don't know if this is true or not, don't necessarily believe this, but think it may be a possibility, or at least some of it. Haven't heard anyone else say this so thought I would.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-11-02 01:46 by cali stones fan.