I don't recall a Big Pauli but I do remember Uptown Frankie :-) Sears Point was owned by Filmways. I flew into meet Richard St. Johns the head of filmways. Actually flew in and was driven to a hotel and sat down with him in a hotel bar to meet. There were a lot of hangers on but the bottom line was that for 10 minutes I heard how they were letting us put on this free concert and how there would be no charge...and then he said ..The Stones will have to put up (now in my memory/imagination it was One Million dollars-but I checked some of my earlier notes and I have to believe what I said then) $100,000.to cover any possible clean up costs, they will have to get a $100,000 insurance policy to cover any injuries and liability, oh and yeah, they will have to assign us any rights to any movie that is made. I think they wanted another $100,000 for something else but it didn't matter .. the Stones were not paying anything or giving up any rights to give a 'free' concert. It was dead at that moment.

Hello Mr Schneider !

I've just found out your thread ,thanks for sharing those great memories!
I 've often read your web site and blog .Awesome accounts !



I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

Ron, is there any way you can tell us how these 'heavies' got a foothold in the Stonestour to begin with?

The heavies came about because of John Jaymes. Chipmonck said he had a guy that represented Chrysler and could deliver car rentals for us and help on transportation. All Chrysler wanted was a photo of the Stones in a car at the end of the tour. Sounded like a great deal and that's how John got started on infesting the organization (Sam Cutler in his new book has an interesting theory about John..the book will be out the beginning of next year..) John said he could help with our security and he delivered an intense security force...I have to say they kept us secure and that was a big deal in those days--like I have said, those were the days of teargas and overturning buses and 100 mile an hour limo chases. (little story detour) It's got a bit crazy when you would leave a concert--Chicago as an example--we came out from the underground garage and once we hit the regular parking area, a few cars came chasing us.. we had a police motorcycle escort..(man, the amount of times I sat in a lime going over 100 while we had a police escort stopping traffic One officer would race ahead to stop the traffic at the light, then the other motorcycle officer would speed ahead to the next light and they would leap frog). This time in Chicago the motorcycle officer at the light in front of us waved to us that he noticed the line of cars chasing us.. and stood by his cycle and pulled his gun and stopped that part of the chase..
Another time they chased us onto the tarmac of the airport..cops grabbed them but not after the girls attacked Mick...he did fake karate....yeah, I know where was the security then..

Re: Euro 1970 tour... I posted an image of the Stones office letterhead for the tour in my stories section.. meandtherollingstones.com

Fake karate? Was he joking? I bet that was humorous!

It was humorous (Mick kept assuming karate poses--flailing the air and as he wouldn't hurt a flea he was trying to intimidate to no avail) but also dangerous.. When people get a hit of adrenaline, they get super powers. You have no idea of how strong a teenage girl can get with that adrenaline. Another airport tarmac comes to mind.. after a wild mad chase to the airport, we got out of the limo when a girl that had been with a group that was chasing us, ran over and grabbed the middle post between the front and rear door--she did this to avoid being pulled away from us..it took 5 big men to pull her hands off that post.
A few times, as we exited slowly from a garage, a fan would jump onto the back of the limo trunk and grab on for dear life..they would basically spread eagle and grab the two sides of the back window and hang on.. the driver would try and drive away before we were ascended upon by the mobs..sometimes they picked up speed to get away and the fan would still be hanging on at 40 miles an hour...by the way, these were female fans.....never had an accident with them but it was scary for many reasons..

deardoctortake1--Your "Some of Baltimore 69 was filmed, as a test, but not used for the movie, The quality of the performance I was told in the film was not useful for the Gimme Shelter movie." Who ever told you may have sounded convincing but it wasn't true.. I didn't trust my memory so I double checked with Albert Maysles...and he said.

Dear Ron,

We didn't start filming until Madison Square Garden so nothing shot of the Baltimore concert.
Best,
Al

Bmuseed: Exactly


When a woman makes up their mind to have sex with you they will do anything to get a hold of you. Trust me, it doesn't necessarily only happen to Rock Stars.

It was Albert Maysles assistant who told me he looked at the Baltimore 69 footage that was shot as a test,just a few songs, and the assistant didn't think it was very good, and that's why it wasn't used.

Albert Maysles is a sweet wonderful and kind man. But he doesn't have that good of a memory regarding Gimme Shelter.

You have the name of the assistant..?
Albert is everything you said but his memory might not be that bad... David and I did most of the dealing with the film so that might clarify why Albert doesn't remember some of the stuff..

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deardoctortake1--Your "Some of Baltimore 69 was filmed, as a test, but not used for the movie, The quality of the performance I was told in the film was not useful for the Gimme Shelter movie." Who ever told you may have sounded convincing but it wasn't true.. I didn't trust my memory so I double checked with Albert Maysles...and he said.

Dear Ron,

We didn't start filming until Madison Square Garden so nothing shot of the Baltimore concert.
Best,
Al

well then Glyn Johns must have recorded nearly every show from 1969. There's some comments from Jagger in the Gimme Shelter movie from Oakland 2nd show (i think) - "ahh we just trying to see how you look...ahh we couldn't see you"...plus what deardoctortake says about Baltimore, plus some rough soundboard tracks from Detroit (I think again)...so Ron can you shed any light on what the Johns people recorded on soundboard on that tour? And, more importantly, if this material still exists ! Thanks

Hi Mr. Schneider, we had been discusing the bands getaway at Altamont and a dear lady here on the board told me that you were there in that helicopter. I often have thought how scary that moment must have been to the people aboard the helicopter, and if they even realised that situation as pretty dangerous. And, what immeasurable loss if the heli had crashed. How was your personal experience of those moments and of the subsequent flight?

I don't know whether it was the fear of the violence or fear of the traffic jam but everybody that could, jumped onto that helicopter as it seemed like the last helicopter leaving Vietnam (which I relate to in hindsight). We screamed, "take off, take off" and the pilot did. As we got into the air the pilot said that we have a problem! He said that we were extremely overweight and that the problem was going to be in the landing. He had never landed an overweight helicopter before. He wouldn't be able to make a regular 'copter hover landing. He said he would have to bring it in like an airplane ..we absolutely held our breath and were enormously relieved as he glided in for the safe, scary landing..



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Yes, I just read there were 17! people on that copter.

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Yes, I just read there were 17! people on that copter.

More ! Stanley Booth wrote :"The Stones,Astrid,Jo,Ronnie,Sam ,Tony ,David Horowitz,Jon Jaymes,Mike Scotty,Ethan Russel ,among others boarded the small aircraft."



I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

plus gram and his girlfriend...

Hi Mr SCHNEIDER,


In the Gimme Shelter Movie, when the STONES came in their Hotel Room, Keith or Mick wanted to listen to "Brown Sugar" askin'someone to find and play the tape!
You were in this room with them and another guy.
I always thought that this scene, was played for the movie because it fit with,
but it seems that there was lots of fun behind . Did they listen to the tapes all night long ? Could you tell us more ! And who's the guy in the room with you and Mick & Keith?

HMN

they should release all footage shot from the 69 tour in its raw format, i would spend some bucks for that

>> And who's the guy in the room with you and Mick & Keith? <<

if you mean the cat that the Maysleses use a light meter on, that's Stanley Booth

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>> And who's the guy in the room with you and Mick & Keith? <<

if you mean the cat that the Maysleses use a light meter on, that's Stanley Booth

Yep
knew the writer but never seen his face, great once again thanks with sssoul

HMN

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Hi Mr SCHNEIDER,


In the Gimme Shelter Movie, when the STONES came in their Hotel Room, Keith or Mick wanted to listen to "Brown Sugar" askin'someone to find and play the tape!
You were in this room with them and another guy.
I always thought that this scene, was played for the movie because it fit with,
but it seems that there was lots of fun behind . Did they listen to the tapes all night long ? Could you tell us more ! And who's the guy in the room with you and Mick & Keith?

After we heard a couple of songs we all went off to our own rooms to unwind..they may have played on. Yes it was Stanley..and I believe that the music made it fun...it was some great music and you could see we had fun.

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After we heard a couple of songs we all went off to our own rooms to unwind..they may have played on. Yes it was Stanley..and I believe that the music made it fun...it was some great music and you could see we had fun.

It's a part of the movie, i'd always liked.
The fun feeling was in the room and of course what a great music!!!
Thanks very much to took time to answer me.
Much appreciated

HMN



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I am tripping that this John Clifford Ellsworth=Jon James was taking off with the band etc in that heli @ Altamont. I vaguely recall reading about him - probably that LA Times article. He practically makes that other famous impostor/grifter F. Abagnale (DiCaprio played in film) look like kindergarten!

It is dismaying to learn that publishers do not think your (proposed) book is salacious enough! This practice seems to indicate we the readers, are going to be left with material that is skewed - perhaps not that accurate.

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It's a part of the movie, i'd always liked.
The fun feeling was in the room and of course what a great music!!!
Thanks very much to took time to answer me.
Much appreciated

Tis a great part of the film...






It has to be noted that Stanley's elbow to waist thang at 0.29 and Keith's arm throw at 1.18 are two of the coolest body movements of all time.

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It's a part of the movie, i'd always liked.
The fun feeling was in the room and of course what a great music!!!
Thanks very much to took time to answer me.
Much appreciated

Tis a great part of the film...






It has to be noted that Stanley's elbow to waist thang at 0.29 and Keith's arm throw at 1.18 are two of the coolest body movements of all time.

LOL!!! Indeed!

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plus gram and his girlfriend...

Ah, good old Gram Parsons. "Yes, the band I rode in with and played with
can take the car back to SF. You remember, the one I rode in with you?
Well, you guys take the car, and I'll ride back on the helicopter with the Stones."

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It's a part of the movie, i'd always liked.
The fun feeling was in the room and of course what a great music!!!
Thanks very much to took time to answer me.
Much appreciated

Tis a great part of the film...






It has to be noted that Stanley's elbow to waist thang at 0.29 and Keith's arm throw at 1.18 are two of the coolest body movements of all time.

LOL!!! Indeed!

Yeeaaahhh, definitvely a part of the Rolling STONES way of life

HMN

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plus gram and his girlfriend...

Ah, good old Gram Parsons. "Yes, the band I rode in with and played with
can take the car back to SF. You remember, the one I rode in with you?
Well, you guys take the car, and I'll ride back on the helicopter with the Stones."

yes....and you would do?
I know what I'd be doing - hanging out with Keith...

Earlier, someone made a commment about filming the Baltimore concert before the Garden in NYC. I checked my original agreement with the Maysles..and I believe you were right--to be specific..."We agree to observe a Rolling Stones concert in Baltimore on November 26, 1969"