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Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Date: October 10, 2009 21:49

I was just talking about S. Booth this morning. Has become very reticent. Last time I saw him it was almost bizarre.

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: stonesrule ()
Date: October 10, 2009 21:51

Bemused, any thoughts on mick taylor and ronnie wood, pro and con?

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: slakka ()
Date: October 10, 2009 22:44

Hey Ronnie!!


Looks like the Passaro obit I send you years ago from the San Jose Merc News made it up on your site.



I recall you saying..."It was like watching a man with a gun get killed by experts"...chilling... A friend of mine later added..."Yes The Picador"



Best,

big ed

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: bmuseed ()
Date: October 10, 2009 23:25

Yes big ed.... thank you for the article, a lot of people always asked whatever happened to the hell's angel that killed Meredith Hunter. I had the info but you like some of these other great fans helped me by mailing me (snail mail) the article that now appears on my site..it's in the stories section but I put the image up separately so... [meandtherollingstones.com]

thanks again..

ron

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: fiftyamp ()
Date: October 11, 2009 01:05

Ron,
Any Sam Cooke memories you wish to share?

Cheers!

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: stonesrule ()
Date: October 11, 2009 02:42

Not a word against Stanley Booth, please. Never count him out.

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: bmuseed ()
Date: October 11, 2009 03:01

Sam Cooke once told me that his 'act' consisted of two things..first, biting his lower lip and second, jumping over the microphone cord..he didn't need anything else with that voice..

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: October 11, 2009 03:35

Quote
bmuseed
Sam Cooke once told me that his 'act' consisted of two things..first, biting his lower lip and second, jumping over the microphone cord..he didn't need anything else with that voice..

Hi Mr Schneider,

It was the good old times
It seemed so simple to be the best
And now so complicated to try to be the best!
Thank you very much for all your stories

HMN

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: October 11, 2009 11:37

Thank ya Ron for all the time pics!!! smiling smiley
Still grateful for that little radio interview phone
chat I got with ya around 2004... Maybe one day we could chat some more.
Had this US-trip plans pretty serious, then had to freeze the due to
drastically decreased flow of projects in my profession..
In best of furtres, perhaps in a couple of years.

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: bmuseed ()
Date: October 11, 2009 19:43

Follow the Birds...a Brian Jones memory..
We were in Miami, I believe it was the Fountainbleau and they had ski doo's for guests to take out into the ocean. They were the ones that you sat on like motorcycles. I recall Brian getting one, Anita Pallenburg, Keith, I don't recall the rest. There were a few markers in the ocean and we were instructed to stay within the boundries of these buoy's. Anita seemed to think we were playing bumper boats as she was basically ramming everyone..she charged my ski doo and rode up and over my left side..Needless to say the boat operator's were upset and whistling us in, we heard them scream that we would shortly be running out of gas and should head into shore..We headed in. When we got to shore we realized that Brain wasn't with us. We turned and saw him heading straight out into the ocean on this little ski doo. To this day I see his silhouette riding out into the ocean.. off into the sunset!! The vendors sent a boat out to get him. When he got to shore we asked,"Where did you think you were going?". Brian looked at us and innocently said.."I was following the birds..".
PS..It cost us over $350.00 to fix the boat that Anita cracked..

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: melillo ()
Date: October 11, 2009 19:46

BMUSEED, forgive me if this has been asked already but what shows from the 69 tour were filmed for the movie GS

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: duke richardson ()
Date: October 11, 2009 19:51

Quote
stonesrule
Not a word against Stanley Booth, please. Never count him out.

Hope he publishes something...know from his work that he's a strong writer, Hope something new is forthcoming.

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: bmuseed ()
Date: October 11, 2009 20:37

melillo-- New York's Madison Garden and Altamont were the shows used for Gimme Shelter..

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Date: October 11, 2009 20:45

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duke richardson
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stonesrule
Not a word against Stanley Booth, please. Never count him out.

Hope he publishes something...know from his work that he's a strong writer, Hope something new is forthcoming.

I wouldn't bet on it.

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: melillo ()
Date: October 11, 2009 21:40

Quote
bmuseed
melillo-- New York's Madison Garden and Altamont were the shows used for Gimme Shelter..

YES BUT WERENT THERE OTHER SHOWS FILMED? such as miami -baltimore and detroit



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-11 21:43 by melillo.

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: straycat58 ()
Date: October 11, 2009 22:03

Ron, could you please anticipate to us if you'll add new material on your website?
Or.. can you tell us if you still have some hidden gem, maybe some video of the band caught in action?

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: duke richardson ()
Date: October 11, 2009 22:09

Quote
Palace Revolution 2000
Quote
duke richardson
Quote
stonesrule
Not a word against Stanley Booth, please. Never count him out.

Hope he publishes something...know from his work that he's a strong writer, Hope something new is forthcoming.

I wouldn't bet on it.

Why not?

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: slakka ()
Date: October 11, 2009 22:25

And Ron,


Let me know if you need any Jon James updates. Man that guy was a classic kook!

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: bmuseed ()
Date: October 11, 2009 22:33

I don't think I have any hidden video ( I believe Albert Maysles will be showing some never before seen video in the new Gimme Shelter release)or photos at this point. The gems that I have are my memories and a lot of the original paperwork which I think you will all find very interesting..I will expand some of the topics from here to my website and add some of my scans exclusively, there.. I just started doing this as I always felt a bit retiscent to tell my stories as it is hard enough to understand one's own life and experiences then to convey them to someone else..plus, my father always said that we should let people live their own lives and this was my life. Even now I have to hold back due to the different culture we now live in. Things we did in the past may be judged under a different light than when they occurred..

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: bmuseed ()
Date: October 11, 2009 22:36

Jon Ellsworth Jaymes? .....slowly, I turned!! He nearly got me killed and I'm talking guns to my head. I last heard that he was dead..so I would appreciate any update.

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: October 11, 2009 22:45

Again, the beauty of your writing is - as a Stones Fan, I don't care about dates and pinpoint accuracy. It comes from within, which rings true. In other words "Some Kinda Stones Connection" And you're part of it.

League Office

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: slakka ()
Date: October 11, 2009 22:56

He's gone Ronnie, I got his certificate of death 1994


John Clifford Ellsworth=Jon James.


Lemme scratch around and dig up some more stuff from my files, from memory after dealing you chaps he pulled off some scam with the pope!

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: slakka ()
Date: October 11, 2009 23:06

Oh this ones a Doozy!!


1.Ellsworth's Capers During Papal Visit Feed Feds' Anger
Delugach, Al. Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: May 09, 1988. Vol. 107, Iss. 158; p. 1 Abstract Full text

Copyright Times Mirror Company May 09, 1988


Call him a schemer, a dreamer, a big talker. Call him a shady operator, a global operator, a lawbreaker. All of these have been used to describe John Clifford Ellsworth. By repute, the 42-year-old convicted felon also is a spinner of tall tales who has a yen for attaching himself to celebrated events.

A globe-trotter who has been in Los Angeles less than four years, Ellsworth has bragged of a mysterious past that supposedly included roles in President Richard Nixon's historic trip to China and in secret negotiations for hostages in Iran and Lebanon. He testified last year that he managed the Rolling Stones rock band for five years.

Some law enforcement people here tend to take these claims with a whole shaker of salt.

But in the eyes of a growing cadre of Ellsworth watchers, the promoter outdid himself playing big shot during the two-day visit of Pope John Paul II to Los Angeles last September.

Ellsworth managed to inject himself among the volunteer army helping the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles to lay on the hospitality, but he was not your run-of-the-mill volunteer. In pursuit of papal glamour, a bankruptcy court has been told, Ellsworth bounced checks and piled more than $20,000 in bad debts on one of his companies.

A particularly intriguing item: a worthless check for $1,073.63 that he used to buy Kentucky Fried Chicken for scores of U.S. Secret Service agents assigned to protecting the Pope.

In feeding the hungry feds, Ellsworth also obligated his now bankrupt U.S. Coal Corp. for hundreds of dollars for provender from Greenblatt's Delicatessen in Hollywood and from Sarno's Caffee Dell'Opera Restaurant in the Los Feliz district. He even stiffed Winchell's Donuts for a paltry $16 worth of doughnuts for lawmen, according to the testimony.

Other expenses that Ellsworth failed to pay included about $32,000 to the Biltmore Hotel in downtown Los Angeles, of which an estimated $20,000 was for rooms during the papal sojourn. Biltmore manager Richard Delaney told the Los Angeles Times recently that "we have an arrangement with them for payment," but he did not give details.

Sensitive Topic

The Kentucky Fried Chicken caper has since become a sensitive topic for the Secret Service.

That's because two months after the papal visit Ellsworth was named as the key figure in a state Corporations Department suit alleging misuse of $60 million in pension funds by Commercial Acceptance Corp.

The state disclosed at the time that Ellsworth had a record of two larceny convictions in New York. Last February, Ellsworth pleaded guilty to a massive "check-kiting" scam against Sanwa Bank.

Lawyers and accountants who have been laboring for months to unravel Ellsworth's business affairs are bemused by his big spending habits, revealed to include hundreds of thousands of dollars owed to car rental agencies, restaurants, check-cashing companies and Las Vegas hotels. There also is the $45,000 item for "stretching" a leased limousine and $105,000 owed to the city of Adelanto for providing facilities for the free High Desert Music Festival rock concert in Riverside County in July, 1986.

Just how Ellsworth got involved in helping the Secret Service during the Pope's visit also is far from clear.

But Wally McGuire of San Francisco, an outside consultant who coordinated the papal visit, said Ellsworth called and wanted to know how he could help. As it turned out, "he did nothing but offered plenty" to the Los Angeles Catholic archdiocese for the event, McGuire said.

'Minimal Part'

He said the church turned down Ellsworth on offers of hotel rooms, automobiles, stage platforms and even facilities to videotape the entire event because "we had no track record with him."

Father Terrance Fleming, a professor at St. John's Seminary who was the archdiocese's local coordinator for the Pope's visit, said he "vaguely" remembers Ellsworth among the 5,000 individuals with whom he dealt but maintained that "he had a minimal part."

Stan Belitz, a Secret Service agent in Los Angeles who worked on the papal visit, denied that the agency had "dealings" with Ellsworth and said he "has been dropping our name around." The agent was identified in testimony as the one who handled arrangements with Ellsworth.

He referred a news inquiry to Secret Service spokesman William Corbett in Washington, who said Ellsworth in fact had arranged to pick up and deliver chicken dinners for a flock of agents awaiting a military flight out of Los Angeles.

"He showed up about an hour after departure," Corbett said. "The agents were gone. The Secret Service was not paying. Each agent was paying four or five dollars. But they were gone. They went hungry."

Corbett recalled that Ellsworth was referred to the agency by church authorities.

"One of the best ways to describe him is an opportunist," he said.

A former employee of Ellsworth's solely owned U.S. Coal Corp., Louis J. Janda, jolted lawyers at a deposition last January when he listed among unsecured debts of U.S. Coal $11,000 owed to Kentucky Fried Chicken. He testified that the food ended up at the New Otani Hotel downtown, headquarters for the Secret Service detail.

Asked why the entrepreneur was buying food for Secret Service agents, Janda testified: "I can't say -- I can only say [it was] for P.R. [public relations]."

The Kentucky Fried Chicken folks say they only know of $1,073 that Ellsworth spent with them.

Debbie Arnold, regional manager for Collins Food International, the Los Angeles franchisee of Kentucky Fried Chicken, recalled that "originally we were going to do $20,000 of catering for these people" at Dodger Stadium and the Coliseum, sites of the major papal events, but the plans fell through several weeks before the events.

However, Prentice Slayton, Collins' district manager, remembered a "giant hassle" with a number of Secret Service agents gathered at the company's Westchester chicken outlet to oversee preparation of dozens of dinners ordered for Secret Service agents at the airport.

Slayton said he still keeps U.S. Coal's $1,073 check, which Ellsworth signed and which turned out to be written on a closed bank account. Slayton said he was assured by someone at U.S. Coal's offices that the check would be made good, but it never was. He added that "they had the audacity to say some of the officers got sick" and payment would be delayed for that reason.

According to testimony taken in the Commercial Acceptance case, an associate said Ellsworth had boasted of meeting the Pope at Dodger Stadium. Another associate reports that a member of Ellsworth's party at the Coliseum sought to shake hands with the Pope at the Coliseum and was escorted out by security guards.

Two months after the big event, the Corporations Department obtained court receivership over the assets of Ellsworth and two top officers of Commercial Acceptance Corp., Barry Gray and David Facciani.

The department told a court of Commercial Acceptance's chaotic records and its lending of many millions of dollars to enterprises owned by Ellsworth and other affiliates. A small army of attorneys and accountants has been working for several months trying to salvage some of the investors' money. A federal criminal investigation is going on at the same time.

According to state regulators, U.S. Coal's sole source of operating funds was loans from Commercial Acceptance, which got most of its funds from corporate notes that it sold to pension funds. U.S. Coal's bankruptcy papers show that it owes $12.4 million to Commercial Acceptance, which also is in a Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceeding.

The Commercial Acceptance fiasco began the downfall of Ellsworth. In January, he was arrested by the FBI and charged with taking part in an elaborate scheme that defrauded Sanwa Bank of $250,000.

Since then he has been ordered held in federal custody without bail on grounds of the high probability that he would flee the country rather than face trial. Ellsworth pleaded guilty in February and has been awaiting sentencing.

Now, in what promises to be an exotic new chapter of Ellsworth lore, he has been taken to New York under subpoena to appear as a government witness in a major Mafia racketeering trial.

The federal prosecutor in New York, Walter Mack, said in a telephone interview that he is under a judge's "gag order" and is not allowed to comment on the case, including Ellsworth's role.

According to a reporter for the New York Times, which is seeking to lift the court order, the case involves nine members of the Gambino crime family accused of committing a number of murders as part of their enterprise. Several skeptical Los Angeles lawyers say they are curious to learn whether Ellsworth has promoted another tall tale or if he knows something substantive about the New York case.

Ellsworth has left trails around Europe -- not to mention a carpet of bogus checks -- according to records in the civil cases involving him and his stable of companies in Los Angeles.

In recent times, he purportedly got a Saudi Arabian prince named Abdul Aziz to join in developing a proposed Islamic cultural center in the desert near Los Angeles. The project didn't get off the ground, perhaps because the prince didn't come up with $500,000 in cash -- only a promissory note. The note is part of the dubious assets of U.S. Coal.

A number of other Ellsworth deals sowed in Europe failed to flower, and two of his associates are facing charges there. Luxembourg authorities are investigating two Ellsworth-affiliated firms that purported to insure the securities held by Commercial Acceptance investors.

Another of Ellsworth's schemes, according to Janda's testimony, was a joint venture for a Brazilian eucalyptus plantation "for pharmaceutical purposes."

One of his other associates, Cynthia Estrada, said in a deposition that Ellsworth told her of a plan to open a hamburger business in Luxembourg and call its product "luxembourgers."

She also said he told her of a deal with a painter who supposedly invented a paint to make airplanes invisible to radar, as well as a scheme to fish for tuna from helicopters.

Last May, before his troubles surfaced, Ellsworth testified grandiosely about his global activities and gave some curious testimony about his life before coming to Los Angeles. His deposition was taken in a dispute involving another company he formerly controlled, Hughes Steel & Tube Corp., which was in bankruptcy.

'Luxembourgers' and Paint

When attorney Gary E. Klausner asked Ellsworth for all his business addresses, he replied: "I can't even recite them. . . . Do you want addresses in Athens, Cairo, Egypt, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg?"

He said, when asked if he was always known as John Ellsworth: "OK. If you really want to be technical, for a period of five years when I managed the Rolling Stones -- my full name is John Clifford Jaymes Ellsworth . . . so the stage name was John Jaymes," which he spelled out.

Ellsworth also said he lived in New York for about five years, adding: "The rest of the time I was overseas." Asked where, he said: "I was commuting between Egypt, Luxembourg and Switzerland and Yugoslavia."

Later, he said he was born in New York. He said part of his youth was spent in Cuba, Japan "and a few other places," explaining that his father "was in the military awhile." He also claimed that he attended, but conceded that he did not graduate from, the famed High School for Performing Arts in New York and later took extension courses from the University of Rochester. He said he was twice married and was in the process of getting his second divorce.

When Ellsworth was asked his business background since high school, his attorney instructed him not to answer further questions on the topic. He also declined to give his Social Security number.

Melinda Brun, senior trial counsel in Los Angeles for the state Corporations Department, said she has been unsuccessful in efforts to learn the details of the New York cases in which he pleaded guilty after being charged with grand larceny.

In a brief telephone interview last November about his criminal record, Ellsworth said that, more than seven years ago, an associate in a business venture left the country and "left me holding the bag." He said he was given probation, adding that "I had my wrist slapped."

Indexing (document details)
Subjects: Pacific, Litigation, Fraud, Entrepreneurs, Criminal investigations, Bankruptcy, Bad debts
Classification Codes 4330, 3100, 2130
Locations: US, Los Angeles, CA
People: Ellsworth, John Clifford Jaymes
Author(s): Delugach, Al
Publication title: Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: May 09, 1988. Vol. 107, Iss. 158; Sec. 4. pg. 1
Publication Section: 4
Source type: Newspaper
ISSN: 04583035
ProQuest document ID: 5409783
Text Word Count 2041
Document URL: [proquest.umi.com] tId=4273&RQT=309&VName=PQD


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Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: Chris Fountain ()
Date: October 11, 2009 23:14

Very Disturbing. I despise people who steal.

Comish

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: bmuseed ()
Date: October 11, 2009 23:34

Thanks for the info slakka--I didn't note mention of the 20/20 show that was done on him telling how he ripped off UNICEF and Shea Stadium, not to mention the gun coke smugglers... I used to dream of finding him walking down the street and smashing his head in with a baseball bat, and I'm not a violent guy...

anyhow... here's a link to the answers when Ethan queried about John Jaymes

[answers.google.com]

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Date: October 12, 2009 01:19

Quote
duke richardson
Quote
Palace Revolution 2000
Quote
duke richardson
Quote
stonesrule
Not a word against Stanley Booth, please. Never count him out.

Hope he publishes something...know from his work that he's a strong writer, Hope something new is forthcoming.

I wouldn't bet on it.

Why not?

Not the right place to talk about this any further.

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: deardoctortake1 ()
Date: October 12, 2009 01:26

Some of Baltimore 69 was filmed, as a test, but not used for the movie, The quality of the performance I was told in the film was not useful for the Gimme Shelter movie. Of course the soundboard recording of Love In Vain was kept and used on ya yas.

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: slakka ()
Date: October 12, 2009 23:58

Ronnie,
My efforts to locate Jon James which began many years ago, was an effort of mine to discover via him who the "New York Heavies" were as Stanly Booth referred to them. Tuff as nails moonlighting N.Y.P.D. decetives guarding the Stones at Altamont. How these many professional law enforcement guys never played any role in any investigation, either back then or the Sgt Dudeck Re- investigation from 2005 will never cease to amaze me!

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: bmuseed ()
Date: October 13, 2009 06:13

Speaking of the heavies...At one point during the '69 Tour the Stones stayed at The Plaza Hotel in NY..we had the limos parked outside 24/7, we had a spare room for the drivers. With that said I got a call from the head of the limo company..all of the limos had been towed by the NYPD.. I complained to our security guys and the next thing I hear is that the NYPD towed the limos back..

Re: Question for BMUSEED - Ron Schneider
Posted by: Eleanor Rigby ()
Date: October 13, 2009 06:23

wasn't there a guy called Big Pauli involved ?

incidently Ron, what were the "politics" involved with the Sears Point fiasco?
They wanted $$ for the making of the movie and the Stones said no ? simple as that?

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