Now there is someone who should go into the R&R HOF - Rhino records.

warner brothers will probably continue using the rhino name while botching up future products

They use to do the Mystery Science Theater 3000 DVDs but lost that a while ago too.

Warner would not close down Rhino if they were still profitable...It is a sad sign that even a label which is releasing great quality stuff obviously cannot be run on profitable basis anymore.

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Warner would not close down Rhino if they were still profitable...It is a sad sign that even a label which is releasing great quality stuff obviously cannot be run on profitable basis anymore.

Maybe more a case of Warners not being able to run it on a "profitable basis". The majors ( now in fact multi nationals) are a different beast entirly from what is required to run a specialist label. Just look at the ACE buisness model, they no their music, and know their market. They dont spend huge budgets that require massive sales to recoup. Its a NICHE thing, and they know their niche.
I'm not sure on RHINO's history, were they originally an independant that got swallowed by Warners ? ( who now just part of an even bigger conglomorate).

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I just recieved Mojo 192 in the mail, not read any of it yet but did notice an Ad for The Rod Stewart Sessions 1971-1998 on Rhino.
There is a revue in the magazine somewhere but not had a chance to read it yet, if this news is true what will happen to new releases such as this, there must be some rational explanation , as things like this must take some planning and research.
If the lable has gone it will be a real shame , makes you wonder if lables like it will ever se the light of day again.

found this link for the Rod Stewart [www.play.com]

Ad for Stephen Stills on same page in Mojo

link from Play.com [www.play.com]

There was also a mention of Manassas Pieces, but can't find a link to it.

All on Rhino

There will of course be a question mark of projects that are in the pipline, but if Warner have any sense they will release the stuff thats allready been completed and on release schedules, final mastering artwork and even production in some case will have allready been done, even
promos for a lot of these will have been sent out. But then if they had any clue about how a label like Rhino worked, they wouldnt have got in this place in the first place. I suppose even the back catalogue is at risk of being discontinued.

I also bought some Rhino stuff over the years and thought they were Indie, they are popular and well known over here in Germany - when did they get swallowed by Warner ?

Maybe Warner just wanted to get their repertoire and their rights ?

Rhino Records was originally a record shop, the first releases on the Rhino Label tended to be re-issues of classic comedy and even novelty. I still have somewhere a copy of "Go To Rhino Records" 7" by Wild Man Fisher, which I think may have been the first release on Rhino.
I think the were first taken over by capitol and later Warner-Time, initially a 50% share, vut Warner had a 100% holding by the end. Joining a major did give thme access to some great back catalogues, but it tied seemed to tie them into different buisness model. Time-Warner have a great record in fecking things up, anyone remember their Wilco debacle.

maybe if they had stayed independant they would still be with us as I've allready said ACE started from a record shop as well (Rock On, Camden) and have gone from strenght to strenght.

Reportedly, Warner Music Group has this enormous debt. Maybe as a result of the banks having gotten tougher on their creditors, they need to cut costs now and this was the outcome. But since the reissue business has been gaining market share on the new music recently, I'm not sure what this means on the state of WMG in general.

Ya billwebster, As I suspected Rhino are paying the cost for Warners mismanagment, This large multi conglomarets love to eat up small succesfull companies without recognisng what made them work in their first place. There was a time when some of the most succesful guys in running labels were fans as well as good buisness men,Eretgun,Blackwell,Gordy and the likes, now its "boards" who only seem to understand, balance sheets and the allmighty share price. GOD HELP US.

The Rod Stewart box set is out, it's waiting at my local record store today for me to pick up, so maybe they'll still release the projects that were ready to go anyway.

i wuz director of press and publicy deparment at Rhino when it was a Very newish company...no more than a dozen of us, including execs, art dept. promo dept. shipping dept. etc...we were all in a building on Olympic Blvd. in Santa Monica...back in the eighties...while i was there we went from an indie to a company with hits and international major distrubtion...the savvy, and cool and humane owners were Richard Foos and Harold Bronson, but they sold the enterprise years ago...
we put out so much good stuff...kudos to Gary Stewart the A&R guy back then...
met a zillion peeps, did a lot of tv w artist etc...such a magic vibe when just a few people riding this miracle...rip

Rhino Records, their first release. How much can you get JAckie Lomax album for ?
I must dig out the 7"

They will be missed

Sadly I see a not too far future where every one of them dies.
Bear Family, Ace, Sundazed.

Money really can´t buy me love.......



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Is it just me, or does it seem like all of the really good things are going away?

all of the really good things are going away?

You ain't kiddin' ..... soon there'll be nothin' left .... enjoy while ya can
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ROCKMAN

How can anyone mention their back-catalouge excellence without mentioning The Grateful Dead???

I LOVE whagt they did to The Grateful Dead's catalougue!!! Taking all Warner and post-warner titles and filling all 80 possible minutes with bonus live tracks from the album done in the era that the album was released, alternate takes, even including underground radio spots for their Lps (!). Every Dead re-release on Rhino was a mini-celebration of the album in your hand, liner notes as good as back in the day when big CD box sets were the rage... the different focuses on tours... complete shows previously unreleased...

DAMMIT!!!!!


[thepowergoats.com]

Yes the DEAD re-issues were great, I've got the two box sets and the Garcia one.

The Gram Parsons Complete Reprise Recordings set was also superb!



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The Rod Box set...??? No "Handbags & Gladrags". no "Little Miss Understood". "No "Come Back Baby". No "Mandolin Wind". No "Gasoline Alley".

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The Rod Box set...??? No "Handbags & Gladrags". no "Little Miss Understood". "No "Come Back Baby". No "Mandolin Wind". No "Gasoline Alley".

If you're suggesting that the new Rhino box is incomplete without those tracks, know that it is a collection of unreleased outtakes.

Most of those songs can be found on the "Storyteller" box set...but that's 20 years old now.


Does anyone here have 4-CD Everly Brothers box that Rhino released in the 90's? Great package that covers all the labels they recorded for.

Some of their seldom-heard material done in the mid-60's with Dave Hassinger has a real "Aftermath" feel to it.

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The Rod Box set...??? No "Handbags & Gladrags". no "Little Miss Understood". "No "Come Back Baby". No "Mandolin Wind". No "Gasoline Alley".

If you're suggesting that the new Rhino box is incomplete without those tracks, know that it is a collection of unreleased outtakes.

Most of those songs can be found on the "Storyteller" box set...but that's 20 years old now.


Does anyone here have 4-CD Everly Brothers box that Rhino released in the 90's? Great package that covers all the labels they recorded for.

Some of their seldom-heard material done in the mid-60's with Dave Hassinger has a real "Aftermath" feel to it.

They dont make it easy on a poor boy. Early Rod IMo is indispenasble listening. Is the set of outtakes good? Worth getting? (Thanks for the info btw, Loog Droog)

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i wuz director of press and publicy deparment at Rhino when it was a Very newish company...no more than a dozen of us, including execs, art dept. promo dept. shipping dept. etc...we were all in a building on Olympic Blvd. in Santa Monica...back in the eighties...while i was there we went from an indie to a company with hits and international major distrubtion...the savvy, and cool and humane owners were Richard Foos and Harold Bronson, but they sold the enterprise years ago...
we put out so much good stuff...kudos to Gary Stewart the A&R guy back then...
met a zillion peeps, did a lot of tv w artist etc...such a magic vibe when just a few people riding this miracle...rip

Maybe we crossed paths. I was an intern in the publicity department in the mid to late 80s. I worked for a gal there (I don't want to name names). It was right at the time CDs were coming out and Rhino was still dealing with LPs. I helped them move from the two-story place to the much larger one. At the time they were farting around with original acts: House OF Freaks (who were a little bit ahead of thier time) and an ersatz folk singer named Cindy Lee Berryhill (which anyone could have told them would go nowhere). They were still screwing around with that comedy act Barnes and Barnes. Gary Stewart was okay. HIs Holy Grail was always
to get the Dave Clark Five catalog (he told me so). I always got the impression he thought he was too cool for school. Bill Englot I knew from the San Fernando Valley days. Later, Rhino did some wonderful, terrific stuff. They were a nice bunch when I was there. An end of an era, indeed.

Rhino Records, WMG’s catalog division, took brunt of the layoffs on Thursday (Daily Variety, Sept. 25). Roughly 20% of the company’s staff was eliminated. Several sources claimed 38 jobs were lost; in some cases, entire departments were shuttered, while others were left with skeletal staffing.

However, Rhino still plans to produce physical releases, sources added.

Does anyone can explain what does it means ?Is Rhino going to diversify ?



I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

so is anything released on rhino records going to be taken out of print? also the doors and the grateful dead signed long term contracts with rhino records so wouldn't warner bros risk a lawsuit if they tried to back out of these contracts?

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so is anything released on rhino records going to be taken out of print? also the doors and the grateful dead signed long term contracts with rhino records so wouldn't warner bros risk a lawsuit if they tried to back out of these contracts?

And what about the unreleased material from Stephen Stills' band Manassas ? It has to be released on September 22...



I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

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so is anything released on rhino records going to be taken out of print? also the doors and the grateful dead signed long term contracts with rhino records so wouldn't warner bros risk a lawsuit if they tried to back out of these contracts?

And what about the unreleased material from Stephen Stills' band Manassas ? It has to be released on September 22...

it was released and i bought it. great stuff. better than the 2nd actuial manassas album

that reminded me the members of CSN all signed deals and a stephen stills boxset is due for 2010 along with a new CSN album, a new stills solo album, a new graham nash album, a live compilation of manassas and a stills live album recorded in 2007 is due in october



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guess what. straight from rhino's homepage

Thank you to everyone for your heartfelt and passionate words about the recent events at Rhino. As many of you know, we had to reduce our staff yesterday, and it was a very difficult day. We had to say goodbye to some great Rhinos who will be sorely missed.

But, a lot of misinformation is making its way through chat rooms and the blogosphere -- including misplaced rumors that we have closed our doors -- and we want to take this opportunity to offer some perspective.

Rhino is still a company of more than 100 passionate music lovers. We remain firmly committed to the core principles that made us the company you know and love: creating the best, most informative, innovative, and fun CD, vinyl, and digital music products, and doing everything we can to showcase the amazing artists and catalog with whom we work. In the coming weeks, we will bring an extensive revamp to Rhino.com which we think will help us compensate for the loss of so many retail outlets in the past few years. We will also be releasing several unique Rhino Handmade titles, including titles by Chris Bell, Jan & Dean, MC5, Wilson Pickett, and yes, The Monkees - titles that are very much in the vein of great Rhino releases from the past. And that's just a few of the projects we're working on, so please don't worry that we've gone away!

Obviously, as the music industry undergoes rapid change, every company needs to think differently and to shift how they get the artists' music to the fans. This is not the first time we've had to confront this challenge at Rhino. Over the years, our staff has grown and contracted. But then it's also grown again, along with changes and opportunities in the marketplace. With every industry downturn, there are nay-sayers who predict our demise or complain that the "new" Rhino is not like the "old" Rhino. Well, we've got a 31-year track record, numerous awards, and a recent string of some of the most creatively diverse offerings in our history that refutes those pundits. Our unique social and environmental mission programs remain intact. And we remain totally committed to being an artist-centric company devoted to bringing our artists' music to the fans in the most thoughtful and creative way possible. This is who we are and will continue to be.

With gratitude,
Team Rhino

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The Rod Box set...??? No "Handbags & Gladrags". no "Little Miss Understood". "No "Come Back Baby". No "Mandolin Wind". No "Gasoline Alley".

This is all you need from Rod:

[www.amazon.com]