"Sucking in the Seventies" was originally "Sensational in the Seventies" until they listened to the selections and decided a name change was in order.

bill: "they're pretty 'orrible aren't they?"
charlie: "wot?"
bill: "the songs. 'orrible."
charlie: "oh yes, i suppose they are"
keith: "yeah man they suck i would've never released half of them if i'd been sober"
mick: "that's it!"
ronnie: "um"
all: "shut up ronnie"
keith: "what's that you were saying brenda?"
mick: "we'll not call it sensational in the seventies, let's call it..."
all: "sucking in the seventies!!!"

Let It Bleed's working title, other than Automatic Changer, was Sticky Fingers.

Dirty Work--Sucking in the Eighties

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19 STITCHES was bandied about at a time when nine other tracks were under consideration at the first mixing sessions in late summer 1985. I always wondered if a possible double album was planned. The weird thing is just how many Keith lead vocals we would have had. The other nine tracks listed at the time were: Strictly Memphis, Nobody's Perfect, Deep Love, Crushed Pearl, You're Too Much, Treat Me Like a Fool, Some of Us Are On Our Knees, Your Love, and I Can't See Nobody. Granted some of the outtakes sung by Keith might have also had Mick vocals by the mixing stage. Still, I'd love to hear the finished (or nearly finished versions) of these tracks.

Reading about this for the 1st time now, I get the feeling they threw out the wrong songs and "Dirty Work" could have been a better album had they chosen some of the other tracks for it.

It's too bad this is not a famous record or we would get to hear all of those sooner or later on an expanded reissue. I think they would be worth releasing anyway. Or maybe I'm just curious.

Next one: L'arlesienne! ><

Wasn't one of them (possibly Bridges to Babylon) going to be Malibu Drive or something like that?



"I'll be in my basement room with a needle and a spoon."

@Rocky Dijon - was 19 Stitches and the tracklist from German's BB ?

Tattoo You was "Fall Fire" or was it the code name of the Stones for the sessions?

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Exile was going to be called Eat It at one point. Black And Blue was going to be called Cocroaches at one point. They used that name as a pseudonym for secret gigs instead. That name for Black And Blue comes from an interview with Keith in a British mag and Keith also said Wayne Perkins was probably the new guitar player.

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@Rocky Dijon - was 19 Stitches and the tracklist from German's BB ?

I am not Rocky but I can confirm that Bill German came up with the title in his fanzine in 1985 (I still have it somewhere).

Working titles for songs are also funny:

Dogshit = early Pretty Beat Up
Wally's Whistling Saw = Following The River
Old King Cole = We Love You
Bill's Tune = Acid In The Grass = In Another Land
Loose Woman = 2000 Light Years From Home
Vagina = Slave
Bent Green Needles = Sweet Black Angel
Bulldog = Little T&A
Cow Girl Blues = Break The Spell
Hot Line = High Wire



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The backing track to "Break the Spell" was "Call Girl Blues." "Dogshit" was Keith's mean-spirited notation on the session log for the embryonic "Pretty Beat Up" which Mick called "Ronnie's Idea." You'll note Keith returned to this title while slagging off GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY.

Talk Is Cheap first was a Dirty Work outtake and became the title of Keith's first solo album.
Dogshit In The Doorway would have sold more copies with this title.

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19 STITCHES was bandied about at a time when nine other tracks were under consideration at the first mixing sessions in late summer 1985. I always wondered if a possible double album was planned. The weird thing is just how many Keith lead vocals we would have had. The other nine tracks listed at the time were: Strictly Memphis, Nobody's Perfect, Deep Love, Crushed Pearl, You're Too Much, Treat Me Like a Fool, Some of Us Are On Our Knees, Your Love, and I Can't See Nobody. Granted some of the outtakes sung by Keith might have also had Mick vocals by the mixing stage. Still, I'd love to hear the finished (or nearly finished versions) of these tracks.

Reading about this for the 1st time now, I get the feeling they threw out the wrong songs and "Dirty Work" could have been a better album had they chosen some of the other tracks for it.

It's too bad this is not a famous record or we would get to hear all of those sooner or later on an expanded reissue. I think they would be worth releasing anyway. Or maybe I'm just curious.

Even if there were a demand for an expanded Dirty Work reissue, I doubt that Mick would want to commit to it. A lot of those outtakes were rough Keith demos, and an alternate version of the album would be mainly a Keith solo release.

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Working titles for songs are also funny:

Dogshit = early Pretty Beat Up
Wally's Whistling Saw = Following The River
Old King Cole = We Love You
Bill's Tune = Acid In The Grass = In Another Land
Loose Woman = 2000 Light Years From Home
Vagina = Slave
Bent Green Needles = Sweet Black Angel
Bulldog = Little T&A
Cow Girl Blues = Break The Spell
Hot Line = High Wire

Short And Curlies was originally called Cut Yer Balls Off.



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Working titles for songs are also funny:

Dogshit = early Pretty Beat Up
Wally's Whistling Saw = Following The River
Old King Cole = We Love You
Bill's Tune = Acid In The Grass = In Another Land
Loose Woman = 2000 Light Years From Home
Vagina = Slave
Bent Green Needles = Sweet Black Angel
Bulldog = Little T&A
Cow Girl Blues = Break The Spell
Hot Line = High Wire

Short And Curlies was originally called Cut Yer Balls Off.

>< Hahahahahahaha. Never heard of this one.

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Talk Is Cheap first was a Dirty Work outtake and became the title of Keith's first solo album.
Dogshit In The Doorway would have sold more copies with this title.

This makes me think of a DIRTY WORK DELUXE release.

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The backing track to "Break the Spell" was "Call Girl Blues." "Dogshit" was Keith's mean-spirited notation on the session log for the embryonic "Pretty Beat Up" which Mick called "Ronnie's Idea." You'll note Keith returned to this title while slagging off GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY.

I'm glad I didn't have a mouthful of coffee when I read that!

AUTOMATIC CHANGER... most likely only the title changed but not the album cover idea seeing what an automatic changer is...

There was some article recently, in the past couple of years, that talked about Mick hiring, as I recall, Warhol for a new LP cover. It was before LET IT BLEED came out. It never said what LP but it implied what would become, bizarrely, from Mick quotes, THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY. Obviously that is not what happened.

It's been said in some books that they planned on releasing 2 albums in 1969, with the first one being STICKY FINGERS and the second one being out in time for x-mas. It seems perhaps that they, or at least Mick, thought they would get the LIB follow up done fast and that, maybe, the second one, which turned out to be LIB, was going to be called AUTOMATIC CHANGER. It seems this thought was in early 1969.

I don't know how valid any of that is, SF and then LIB once they decided on a title for it - even though they didn't release SF first. Goofballs.

The Rolling Stones, Now! -> The Rolling Stones, Soon!

April Fool was considered before they came up with Black and Blue.

Never believed that Manhattan Beach was a working title for ABB. Someone probably heard something about that name, and it actually is mentioned in the liner notes. As I recall it was the mixing studio of the record. I remember reading in a Danish newspaper that it was also going to be called Sweet Neocon, and in another newspaper simply "Neocon". Again, some journalist probably, and unknowingly, caught wind of the mixing studio, and a song title. It then became the name of the album to said journalist, and was wrongfully claimed as the title in the paper.

JumpingKentFlash

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There was some article recently, in the past couple of years, that talked about Mick hiring,
as I recall, Warhol for a new LP cover. It was before LET IT BLEED came out.

Do you mean the correspondence with MC Escher, maybe?

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There was some article recently, in the past couple of years, that talked about Mick hiring,
as I recall, Warhol for a new LP cover. It was before LET IT BLEED came out.

Do you mean the correspondence with MC Escher, maybe?

Gas Light is right, Mick was talking to Warhol about designing a cover long before Sticky Fingers, it might have gone as far back as pre-LIB.

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Never believed that Manhattan Beach was a working title for ABB. Someone probably heard something about that name, and it actually is mentioned in the liner notes. As I recall it was the mixing studio of the record. I remember reading in a Danish newspaper that it was also going to be called Sweet Neocon, and in another newspaper simply "Neocon". Again, some journalist probably, and unknowingly, caught wind of the mixing studio, and a song title. It then became the name of the album to said journalist, and was wrongfully claimed as the title in the paper.

Dunno. Post-production for A BIGGER BANG:

Los Angeles, Ocean Way Recording Studios & The Village Recorder
('Rough Justice' only). Producers: Don Was & The Glimmer Twins. Overdubbing and
mixing of the upcoming studio album 'A Bigger Bang

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GasLightStreet
There was some article recently, in the past couple of years, that talked about Mick hiring, as I recall, Warhol for a new LP cover. It was before LET IT BLEED came out. It never said what LP but it implied what would become, bizarrely, from Mick quotes, THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY. Obviously that is not what happened.

It's been said in some books that they planned on releasing 2 albums in 1969, with the first one being STICKY FINGERS and the second one being out in time for x-mas. It seems perhaps that they, or at least Mick, thought they would get the LIB follow up done fast and that, maybe, the second one, which turned out to be LIB, was going to be called AUTOMATIC CHANGER. It seems this thought was in early 1969.

I don't know how valid any of that is, SF and then LIB once they decided on a title for it - even though they didn't release SF first. Goofballs.

I don't recall where but I also read the same thing.

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GasLightStreet
There was some article recently, in the past couple of years, that talked about Mick hiring,
as I recall, Warhol for a new LP cover. It was before LET IT BLEED came out.

Do you mean the correspondence with MC Escher, maybe?

Gas Light is right, Mick was talking to Warhol about designing a cover long before Sticky Fingers, it might have gone as far back as pre-LIB.

I can't recall who wrote the article or what the hell magazine/book/special this that or the other it was in. I just remember Mick talking about doing an album cover with Warhol pre-TTPD, which as we know was not done by Warhol.

It's interesting in one aspect to think about that time for them: Jumpin' Jack Flash, BEGGARS BANQUET. More recording. Ideas of two LPs in 1969. Talking with Warhol about an LP cover. Yet a hits comp comes out with the covers done by I forget who, then LET IT BLEED, with the original title influencing the artwork (it seems anyway), some tours, a live album, STICKY FINGERS... with Warhol and John Pasche's logo.

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There was some article recently, in the past couple of years, that talked about Mick hiring,
as I recall, Warhol for a new LP cover. It was before LET IT BLEED came out.

Do you mean the correspondence with MC Escher, maybe?

Gas Light is right, Mick was talking to Warhol about designing a cover long before Sticky Fingers, it might have gone as far back as pre-LIB.

I can't recall who wrote the article or what the hell magazine/book/special this that or the other it was in. I just remember Mick talking about doing an album cover with Warhol pre-TTPD, which as we know was not done by Warhol.

It's interesting in one aspect to think about that time for them: Jumpin' Jack Flash, BEGGARS BANQUET. More recording. Ideas of two LPs in 1969. Talking with Warhol about an LP cover. Yet a hits comp comes out with the covers done by I forget who, then LET IT BLEED, with the original title influencing the artwork (it seems anyway), some tours, a live album, STICKY FINGERS... with Warhol and John Pasche's logo.

Come to think of it, it may have been in a Rolling Stone article from 1969...that sounds very familiar.

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Hope you know what i mean. So lets go:

Their satanic majesties request was cosmic christmas

Aftermath could you walk on the water

Exile on main Street Tropical desease

A bigger Bang Manhatten Beach

You know some more???

Some Girls : More Fast Numbers
Undercover: XXX
Tattoo You: Tattoo

Just for completion's sake,

But Naked = Stripped.

How this has not come up is bizarre, especially since there was just a thread dedicated to it (maybe it was a given).



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