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There was a re-issue of the Robert GREENFIELD's book in FRANCE in the beginning of 2009.
After re-reading the book i'm askin' myself some questions?
-Robert GREENFIELD wrote that it's Jimmy MILLER who played drums on Happy.
-He also wrote that to avoid problems with Allen KLEIN,
the original Rolling STONES should accept a deal of 2.000.000 $
to be free of using Material wrote under KLEIN's era!
Only 160 $ for Bill and Charlie (LOL)
After a phone call by Bill 50000 $ more added for each one , it's better!
I didn't remember that, but i suppose it's true.
HMN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-16 09:12 by Honestman.
You're absolutely right, the book is very pleasant to read,
because in FRANCE, the first release was bad translasted, this new release,
is better for us!
For Anita's second child, i don't think so, because of the Mick's travels between Paris and Nellcote to see Bianca, but one never knows !
I also learn that Dandelion could be a french word game of "Dent de Lion"
which means Lion's Teeth!
HMN
I get your point, but i still don't think so, even if Mick according to GREENFIELD,
had f#^# all of the Rolling STONES's wife's except Charlie's wife!
I think that, because of Bianca , the travels and so on, and also, because
Anita was so deeply in dope, that one couldn't believe all that she said...
After that, it's the legend, you believe it or not ?
HMN
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-16 15:01 by Honestman.
Why???
Everybody knows, Keith used drugs, and the story of Keith is full of drug
stories , the highlight was during the 60's and the 70's!
He never tried to hide his addiction, so GREENFIELD wrote a book and wrote that Keith
was a junkie and what's the matter with that? It's not a scoop !!!
The addiction of Keith for drugs is part of his life!
If Keith, wanted to hide his addiction, i will be agree with you, but he didn't care!
"I never had problems with drugs, i had problems with the police"
HMN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-17 01:30 by Honestman.
Seeing her as she got older, its somewhat evident that her father is Keith.
If you're able to remember all that you see from the Rolling STONES, Dude, you're a perfect guy !
I'm not a computer!
HMN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-17 10:23 by Honestman.
Oh yes, it's only for entertaining, but i like it
Thanks for your comment
HMN
I don't know one book without mistakes, but i'm agree with you
STP is far better.
Anyway, it was a pleasure to me to re-read it, and i don't think I'm a novice
(I'm not a specialist also)
it's just my memory which is running away with me sometimes
HMN
Thanks for your adding comment!
HMN
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Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 16, 2009 01:03
There was a re-issue of the Robert GREENFIELD's book in FRANCE in the beginning of 2009.
After re-reading the book i'm askin' myself some questions?
-Robert GREENFIELD wrote that it's Jimmy MILLER who played drums on Happy.
-He also wrote that to avoid problems with Allen KLEIN,
the original Rolling STONES should accept a deal of 2.000.000 $
to be free of using Material wrote under KLEIN's era!
Only 160 $ for Bill and Charlie (LOL)
After a phone call by Bill 50000 $ more added for each one , it's better!
I didn't remember that, but i suppose it's true.
HMN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-16 09:12 by Honestman.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
CousinC
()
Date: July 16, 2009 01:22
I think that at least the Happy story is true.
The drumming does not sound like Charlie. More like Miller who had some other appearances as well.
The drumming does not sound like Charlie. More like Miller who had some other appearances as well.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Baxter Thwaites
()
Date: July 16, 2009 01:23
I read this over the Christmas hols.
I would treat the book as an enjoyable novel witha smattering of truth. Greenfield wasn't there. The whole thing is cobbled together and 2nd hand - but strangley enjoyable. It will only enhance the mythology.
I would treat the book as an enjoyable novel witha smattering of truth. Greenfield wasn't there. The whole thing is cobbled together and 2nd hand - but strangley enjoyable. It will only enhance the mythology.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
CousinC
()
Date: July 16, 2009 02:23
Quote
Baxter Thwaites
Greenfield wasn't there.[ /quote]
Well, he was there! At least for some time, doing his famed Keith interview.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 16, 2009 08:15
Yeah you're right, it's more enjoyable to read that the Spanish TONY's book!
But both, had their part of truth and their part of lies or mythology.
I didn't noticed till now that it could be another drummer on Happy!
He explained that fact because Charlie wasn't "in" the song and couldn't played it as well as JM.
Amazing !
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-16 08:16 by Honestman.
But both, had their part of truth and their part of lies or mythology.
I didn't noticed till now that it could be another drummer on Happy!
He explained that fact because Charlie wasn't "in" the song and couldn't played it as well as JM.
Amazing !
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-16 08:16 by Honestman.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: July 16, 2009 09:00
Despite the overwrought purple prose and the fact that it was cobbled together by someone who was not there for any length of time, it's still a good book. It does evoke the feeling of Nellcote 1970 in a different way than Spanish Tony's book (my all-tme favourite Stones book), because Greenfield is a professional writer.
And there were a few facts in it that were new to me, such as there was the possibility that Anita's second child had been fathered by Mick.
And there were a few facts in it that were new to me, such as there was the possibility that Anita's second child had been fathered by Mick.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 16, 2009 09:20
Quote
Bliss
... It does evoke the feeling of Nellcote 1970 in a different way than Spanish Tony's book (my all-tme favourite Stones book), because Greenfield is a professional writer.
And there were a few facts in it that were new to me, such as there was the possibility that Anita's second child had been fathered by Mick.
You're absolutely right, the book is very pleasant to read,
because in FRANCE, the first release was bad translasted, this new release,
is better for us!
For Anita's second child, i don't think so, because of the Mick's travels between Paris and Nellcote to see Bianca, but one never knows !
I also learn that Dandelion could be a french word game of "Dent de Lion"
which means Lion's Teeth!
HMN
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: July 16, 2009 10:15
Let me clarify, Anita was worried that her child was Mick's, not Keith's, according to Greenfield, who was quoting Marshall Chess, who was a confidante of Anita's.
Later they found out it was Keith's. But how? DNA testing was not available then and blood tests can be inconclusive.
Later they found out it was Keith's. But how? DNA testing was not available then and blood tests can be inconclusive.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 16, 2009 11:00
Quote
Bliss
Let me clarify, Anita was worried that her child was Mick's, not Keith's, according to Greenfield, who was quoting Marshall Chess, who was a confidante of Anita's.
Later they found out it was Keith's. But how? DNA testing was not available then and blood tests can be inconclusive.
I get your point, but i still don't think so, even if Mick according to GREENFIELD,
had f#^# all of the Rolling STONES's wife's except Charlie's wife!
I think that, because of Bianca , the travels and so on, and also, because
Anita was so deeply in dope, that one couldn't believe all that she said...
After that, it's the legend, you believe it or not ?
HMN
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-16 15:01 by Honestman.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: July 16, 2009 13:54
Yes, I think Anita had cause to wonder if she had become pregnant by Mick.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Baxter Thwaites
()
Date: July 16, 2009 22:37
This book implies that Keith used drugs. I think he should sue Greenfield's arse off.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 17, 2009 01:30
Quote
Baxter Thwaites
This book implies that Keith used drugs. I think he should sue Greenfield's arse off.
Why???
Everybody knows, Keith used drugs, and the story of Keith is full of drug
stories , the highlight was during the 60's and the 70's!
He never tried to hide his addiction, so GREENFIELD wrote a book and wrote that Keith
was a junkie and what's the matter with that? It's not a scoop !!!
The addiction of Keith for drugs is part of his life!
If Keith, wanted to hide his addiction, i will be agree with you, but he didn't care!
"I never had problems with drugs, i had problems with the police"
HMN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-17 01:30 by Honestman.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: July 17, 2009 01:57
Quote
Bliss
Let me clarify, Anita was worried that her child was Mick's, not Keith's, according to Greenfield, who was quoting Marshall Chess, who was a confidante of Anita's.
Later they found out it was Keith's. But how? DNA testing was not available then and blood tests can be inconclusive.
Seeing her as she got older, its somewhat evident that her father is Keith.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Glam Descendant
()
Date: July 17, 2009 03:54
>I didn't noticed till now that it could be another drummer on Happy!
Dude, just look at the credits on the sleeve. Miller has been credited for drums on "Happy" for about 37 years now, it's not news.
Dude, just look at the credits on the sleeve. Miller has been credited for drums on "Happy" for about 37 years now, it's not news.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:19
Quote
Glam Descendant
Dude, just look at the credits on the sleeve. Miller has been credited for drums on "Happy" for about 37 years now, it's not news.
If you're able to remember all that you see from the Rolling STONES, Dude, you're a perfect guy !
I'm not a computer!
HMN
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-07-17 10:23 by Honestman.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Wanton Witch of the Côte
()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:32
So much of the book I took with a grain of salt - but it is an entertaining read.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 17, 2009 11:03
Quote
Wanton Witch of the Côte
So much of the book I took with a grain of salt - but it is an entertaining read.
Oh yes, it's only for entertaining, but i like it
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 18, 2009 02:17
Another question about the writing of "Wild Horses"
According to GREENFIELD
"Wild Horses" had been wrote for Anita, and i still don't get
the meaning of the chorus , maybe because i'm a frenchie (Nobody's perfect)?
Is there a second meaning in
Wild Horses couldn't drag me away...
Because Keith and Anita were so highly in dope at this time,
should I understand that the wild horses could be the women,
And even a girl like Anita couldn't drag away Keith ?
That's it or Am I at 2000 light years from the meaning???
HMN
According to GREENFIELD
"Wild Horses" had been wrote for Anita, and i still don't get
the meaning of the chorus , maybe because i'm a frenchie (Nobody's perfect)
?Is there a second meaning in
Wild Horses couldn't drag me away...
Because Keith and Anita were so highly in dope at this time,
should I understand that the wild horses could be the women,
And even a girl like Anita couldn't drag away Keith ?
That's it or Am I at 2000 light years from the meaning???
HMN
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Glam Descendant
()
Date: July 18, 2009 07:12
It's about Marlon.
From Keith's '71 interview in Rolling Stone magazine:
Yeah (it has to do with Marlon's birth),'cause I knew we were going to have to go to America and start work again, to get me off me ass, and not really wanting to go away. It was a very delicate moment, the kid's only two months old, and you're goin' away. Millions of people do it all the time but still ...
From Keith's '71 interview in Rolling Stone magazine:
Yeah (it has to do with Marlon's birth),'cause I knew we were going to have to go to America and start work again, to get me off me ass, and not really wanting to go away. It was a very delicate moment, the kid's only two months old, and you're goin' away. Millions of people do it all the time but still ...
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 18, 2009 10:32
Quote
Glam Descendant
It's about Marlon.
From Keith's '71 interview in Rolling Stone magazine:
Yeah (it has to do with Marlon's birth),'cause I knew we were going to have to go to America and start work again, to get me off me ass, and not really wanting to go away. It was a very delicate moment, the kid's only two months old, and you're goin' away. Millions of people do it all the time but still ...
Thanks for your comment
HMN
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
keefgotsoul
()
Date: July 18, 2009 11:05
Does anyone know exactly which Rolling Stone magazine had that huge Keith interview from 1971 done by Greenfield? I want to find it. Or, Is it printed online anywhere?
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 18, 2009 11:18
which Rolling Stone magazine had that huge Keith interview from 1971 done by Greenfield?
Rolling Stone - No89 - 19 August 1971
Recently someone posted the link to interview but me no-know where it is....
ROCKMAN
Rolling Stone - No89 - 19 August 1971
Recently someone posted the link to interview but me no-know where it is....
ROCKMAN
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
keefgotsoul
()
Date: July 18, 2009 11:22
Thanks Rockman!
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 18, 2009 11:26
Anytime Keeeeeeeeeeef
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: July 18, 2009 13:58
From what I have read, Wild Horses was a shared effort between Mick and Keith. Mick wrote the verses about the end of his relationship with Marianne, and Keith wrote the chorus about his pain at leaving Marlon and Anita following Marlon's birth. You only have to look at the pics of the three of them leaving hospital to see how happy they were and how besotted Keith and Anita were with their new child.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
scottkeef
()
Date: July 18, 2009 21:25
I thought this book was awful-a HUGE let down when you look at how good STP is! Probably just out for a quik buck I think. The mistakes are plentiful and obvious that even a novice fan would notice IMO.
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 18, 2009 23:50
Quote
scottkeef
I thought this book was awful-a HUGE let down when you look at how good STP is! Probably just out for a quik buck I think. The mistakes are plentiful and obvious that even a novice fan would notice IMO.
I don't know one book without mistakes, but i'm agree with you
STP is far better.
Anyway, it was a pleasure to me to re-read it, and i don't think I'm a novice
(I'm not a specialist also)
it's just my memory which is running away with me sometimes
HMN
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
scottkeef
()
Date: July 19, 2009 00:57
I agree about the mistakes(even Bills book had a few!) Maybe my expectations were so high it really clouded my view BUT you will be happy(maybe?) that I didnt throw it out-I donated to our city library so others can make up their own mind!(And believe me,in a town my size theres not alot of r n r reading material there LOL)
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Tumblin_Dice_07
()
Date: July 20, 2009 20:37
I thought the book was alright. Not great, but not bad either. An interesting read for a Stones fan no doubt, although you'll get alot of information that you already had.
About "Wild Horses": Keith wrote the music, the chorus; the hook. It was about not wanting to leave Anita and the baby. Mick came along and changed some of the lyrics. I personally, and many others, think that Mick wrote it about Marriane. When Keith was asked about it years later, he said that it was a great example of a collaboration between Mick and himself. He had the chords and the chorus and Mick came along and changed/wrote the verses. Keith's quote was "he made it f*cking beautiful".
About "Wild Horses": Keith wrote the music, the chorus; the hook. It was about not wanting to leave Anita and the baby. Mick came along and changed some of the lyrics. I personally, and many others, think that Mick wrote it about Marriane. When Keith was asked about it years later, he said that it was a great example of a collaboration between Mick and himself. He had the chords and the chorus and Mick came along and changed/wrote the verses. Keith's quote was "he made it f*cking beautiful".
Re: Re-Reading of "A Season in hell with the Rolling Stones" Robert GREENFIELD's Book
Posted by:
Honestman
()
Date: July 20, 2009 23:13
Quote
Tumblin_Dice_07
I thought the book was alright. Not great, but not bad either. An interesting read for a Stones fan no doubt, although you'll get alot of information that you already had.
About "Wild Horses": Keith wrote the music, the chorus; the hook. It was about not wanting to leave Anita and the baby. Mick came along and changed some of the lyrics. I personally, and many others, think that Mick wrote it about Marriane. When Keith was asked about it years later, he said that it was a great example of a collaboration between Mick and himself. He had the chords and the chorus and Mick came along and changed/wrote the verses. Keith's quote was "he made it f*cking beautiful".
Thanks for your adding comment!
HMN
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