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Rocky Dijon
It was not a bootleg. Teldec's REST OF THE BEST box set even had a sticker on the front that announced the 45's bonus inclusion. This was carried by major retailers who would never go near a bootleg (I was an employee of one of these chains). It was only available briefly and then withdrawn, but it was legitimately released by Decca's German label though full clearance had not been properly obtained. Discogs claims no commercial copies were available, only review copies, but I saw two of these for sale in December 1983 in the States with the single. They were being distributed and by London Records (Stateside) as an import.
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First released on:
The Rolling Stones - “The Rest Of The Best” 4LP Box bonus 7” single
(Teldec 6.30125FX) Germany, December 1984 (2nd edition only)
Just to note that the song has never been officially released. The 7" single is a bootleg.
Mathijs
It was officially released by mistake, then withdrawn.
No, it was a bootleg, never anything official
Mathijs
But included in a regional (Germany), legal release.
Interesting. Legal but not actually available for purchase, according to [www.discogs.com]
"No commercial issues of the bonus box set were on sale. Only a few copies had been distributed to the press, and some copies were rescued for private collections."
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René
First released on:
The Rolling Stones - “The Rest Of The Best” 4LP Box bonus 7” single
(Teldec 6.30125FX) Germany, December 1984 (2nd edition only)
Just to note that the song has never been officially released. The 7" single is a bootleg.
Mathijs
It was officially released by mistake, then withdrawn.
No, it was a bootleg, never anything official
Mathijs
But included in a regional (Germany), legal release.
Interesting. Legal but not actually available for purchase, according to [www.discogs.com]
"No commercial issues of the bonus box set were on sale. Only a few copies had been distributed to the press, and some copies were rescued for private collections."
Drew
No, it is a bootleg, just as Swingin' Pig releases were available in Germany and Luxembourg in regular shops and sold as 'official' releases in the 1980's and 1990's.
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Is Teldec a bootleg label?
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Is Teldec a bootleg label?
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Mathijs
Let me phrase of differently: the release is as official as the Russian Decca releases that flood the market.
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Is Teldec a bootleg label?
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Swayed1967
Pure poetry from the crackle to the sniff. No shame in farmyard congress if the pigs are willing.
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Pure poetry from the crackle to the sniff. No shame in farmyard congress if the pigs are willing.
never took this to mean bestiality, but rather sex with cops..especially with the line that follows.
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Let me phrase of differently: the release is as official as the Russian Decca releases that flood the market.
Mathijs
The Russian Decca releases were counterfeits and not actually Decca releases, but fakes manufactured to take advantage of loose copyright control and the import market. The Teldec box set with the limited edition 45 was a legitimate release by Teldec - the German branch of Decca, but their source (for the 45 and other tracks) was a bootleg copy. They did not obtain permission from ABKCO but moved ahead with the release without proper authorization. It gave the set a shot in the arm and copies were quickly snatched up by London Records as an import here in the States, but despite the official release by a non-bootleg label, Teldec acted without authorization and the sets with the bootlegs were withdrawn from the market.
I think this is probably the same point Mathijs was making.
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Pure poetry from the crackle to the sniff. No shame in farmyard congress if the pigs are willing.
never took this to mean bestiality, but rather sex with cops..especially with the line that follows.
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Pure poetry from the crackle to the sniff. No shame in farmyard congress if the pigs are willing.
never took this to mean bestiality, but rather sex with cops..especially with the line that follows.
Agreed 100% but I didn't want to embarrass Swayed1967 if he thinks there is no shame if the pig doesn't actually tell him no. Very few four-legged pigs carry truncheons, though some may wear helmets.
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Rocky Dijon
You are certainly becoming our resident comedian. You'll never beat Skippy or StonesTod in their prime, though.
I could, of course, be wrong, but I thought "pigs in the farmyard" was a play on words. Pigs with their truncheons and helmets being police and farmyard referring to a council estate since estate and farm are used interchangeably despite having double meanings in rural and urban areas in England.
Mathijs has strong opinions and defends them in a second language. I don't think he's actually haughty. He did once knee me in the groin for suggesting Sugar Blue played harp on "Black Limousine," but that doesn't make him haughty so much as passionate in his reactions.
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And I’m 100% correct. I'm so sure I'm right that I hereby invoke Mathijs and his haughty air of authority.
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Let me phrase of differently: the release is as official as the Russian Decca releases that flood the market.
Mathijs
The Russian Decca releases were counterfeits and not actually Decca releases, but fakes manufactured to take advantage of loose copyright control and the import market. The Teldec box set with the limited edition 45 was a legitimate release by Teldec - the German branch of Decca, but their source (for the 45 and other tracks) was a bootleg copy. They did not obtain permission from ABKCO but moved ahead with the release without proper authorization. It gave the set a shot in the arm and copies were quickly snatched up by London Records as an import here in the States, but despite the official release by a non-bootleg label, Teldec acted without authorization and the sets with the bootlegs were withdrawn from the market.
I think this is probably the same point Mathijs was making.
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Mathijs
Let me phrase of differently: the release is as official as the Russian Decca releases that flood the market.
Mathijs
The Russian Decca releases were counterfeits and not actually Decca releases, but fakes manufactured to take advantage of loose copyright control and the import market. The Teldec box set with the limited edition 45 was a legitimate release by Teldec - the German branch of Decca, but their source (for the 45 and other tracks) was a bootleg copy. They did not obtain permission from ABKCO but moved ahead with the release without proper authorization. It gave the set a shot in the arm and copies were quickly snatched up by London Records as an import here in the States, but despite the official release by a non-bootleg label, Teldec acted without authorization and the sets with the bootlegs were withdrawn from the market.
I think this is probably the same point Mathijs was making.
Yes, Mathijs probably meant it like this, but then he should have been more precise instead of mentioning TELDEC in the same vein as Swingin' Pig (which was a protection gap/public domain label) or the russian counterfeit label - and that's clearly not the case: TELDEC back then was the official distributor for the Stones pre-1971 material owned by ABKCO, just like Universal distributes ABKCO-material nowadays.
As the name already implies, TELDEC (full name: TELDEC Telefunken-Decca Schallplatten GmbH) was a joint venture between the german company Telefunken and the Decca Record Co. Ltd., founded in 1950 and located in Hamburg, Germany.
In fact, TELDEC - like all DECCA-related companies - were bought up by Universal, including the distribution rights for the ABKCO-owned Stones material.
The notable difference is that TELDEC (like all DECCA-related companies in their respective territories) had the freedom to release their own compilations of Stones material - unlike Universal, who is nowadays strictly distributor only for ABKCO (and of course, Promotone-era Stones material).
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Mathijs
Let me phrase of differently: the release is as official as the Russian Decca releases that flood the market.
Mathijs
The Russian Decca releases were counterfeits and not actually Decca releases, but fakes manufactured to take advantage of loose copyright control and the import market. The Teldec box set with the limited edition 45 was a legitimate release by Teldec - the German branch of Decca, but their source (for the 45 and other tracks) was a bootleg copy. They did not obtain permission from ABKCO but moved ahead with the release without proper authorization. It gave the set a shot in the arm and copies were quickly snatched up by London Records as an import here in the States, but despite the official release by a non-bootleg label, Teldec acted without authorization and the sets with the bootlegs were withdrawn from the market.
I think this is probably the same point Mathijs was making.
Yes, Mathijs probably meant it like this, but then he should have been more precise instead of mentioning TELDEC in the same vein as Swingin' Pig (which was a protection gap/public domain label) or the russian counterfeit label - and that's clearly not the case: TELDEC back then was the official distributor for the Stones pre-1971 material owned by ABKCO, just like Universal distributes ABKCO-material nowadays.
As the name already implies, TELDEC (full name: TELDEC Telefunken-Decca Schallplatten GmbH) was a joint venture between the german company Telefunken and the Decca Record Co. Ltd., founded in 1950 and located in Hamburg, Germany.
In fact, TELDEC - like all DECCA-related companies - were bought up by Universal, including the distribution rights for the ABKCO-owned Stones material.
The notable difference is that TELDEC (like all DECCA-related companies in their respective territories) had the freedom to release their own compilations of Stones material - unlike Universal, who is nowadays strictly distributor only for ABKCO (and of course, Promotone-era Stones material).
That last bit is not how I understand it -Teldec did not have freedom to release anything they liked, they simply did. Thus in fact, it was a legitimate label releasing unauthorized stuff, mostly on local markets. In other words, it was a legal label releasing bootlegs.
We had the same in the Netherlands, with the Telstar label, and a sub label which name I can not come up with after two days of thinking, 'Dino' comes up but I am not sure.
They specialized in Dutch schlager music, and were tied in with pirate radio stations. Their owner Johnnie Hoes was a bit of a pirate himself, pushing things over legal boundaries, and in fact as it turned out stealing millions from the artists he had under contract. They also released strange compilations of bands like Kinks and Stones, for which they had no legal clearance. These releases were in fact bootlegs by a legal label. Tracks on it were mostly the more obscure recordings. I remember one LP with Poison Ivy and Bye Bye Johnnie, wich in my memory were not available anywhere else in the Netherlands in the early to mid 80's. Another LP had interviews with Brian and Jagger, and were available in big stores like V&D and Bijenkorf.
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When was Memphis Tennessee and Da Doo Ron Ron released prior to The Rest Of The Best?