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Sadly, I don't think the Stones will be raiding any vaults of theirs until they finally stop functioning as a band, which sadly, they will never bring themselves to admit to; at least not while they're still endeavouring to create some kind of ludicrous and ridiculous illusion that they are as relevant today as they ever were.

And while idiots are still buying the utter crap which is Live Licks and Shine A Light, the sell-by date for the REAL gems approaches faster by the day.

Tonight Bash Owl again ?
Idiots ?
Should be more careful...

...careful of what?

Showing at least a minimum of respect towards other members here on IORR.
Got it ?

What I DO get is the impression that you are being childishly over-sensitive over criticism of a couple of dud live albums.

What I realize is the fact that you refuse to take responsibility for insulting people. ( "idiots",to refresh your memory)

The second time you try to hide behind your weak live albums argument.
You could have noticed that I don´t give a shit whether you critisize some damned
live albums or not if you had paid some attention to my last post !

Concerning "childishly over-sensitive" term : polemic and ridiculous.
As I said ,you should be more careful,but you didn´t listen.
Have a nice weekend,by the way.

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Sadly, I don't think the Stones will be raiding any vaults of theirs until they finally stop functioning as a band, which sadly, they will never bring themselves to admit to; at least not while they're still endeavouring to create some kind of ludicrous and ridiculous illusion that they are as relevant today as they ever were.

And while idiots are still buying the utter crap which is Live Licks and Shine A Light, the sell-by date for the REAL gems approaches faster by the day.

Tonight Bash Owl again ?
Idiots ?
Should be more careful...

...careful of what?

Showing at least a minimum of respect towards other members here on IORR.
Got it ?

What I DO get is the impression that you are being childishly over-sensitive over criticism of a couple of dud live albums.

What I realize is the fact that you refuse to take responsibility for insulting people. ( "idiots",to refresh your memory)

The second time you try to hide behind your weak live albums argument.
You could have noticed that I don´t give a shit whether you critisize some damned
live albums or not if you had paid some attention to my last post !

Concerning "childishly over-sensitive" term : polemic and ridiculous.
As I said ,you should be more careful,but you didn´t listen.
Have a nice weekend,by the way.

The term "idiots" is uses in the context of mild banter, which you obviously have difficulty coming to terms with. Or perhaps you've lived a very sheltered life.

As I said, you are being childishly over-sensitive.

Now do you get THAT, or do you want me to spell it out for you?

AAAAAAAAAAAAaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh you could have clarified THAT hours and posts before,
instead of repeating your childishly over-sensitive explanations.
I GOT it,but I´d love to see you spelling it out for me...

Peace and shakehands ? Oh,sorry,shakewings ?

Peace indeed, my good man/person/object/plaything!

I'm an idiot but it's OK because I actually like a good bit of Live Licks but really only like about 3 songs on SAL. SAL is probably their worst live album period. Maybe I should have just gotten the single issue. But I still like it. And I really liked No Security. I like all of the live albums because I didn't get to see those tours and those live albums, as live as they are and even as strange as they are, are better than nothing.

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Peace indeed, my good man/person/object/plaything!

Yeah,take just (good) man,and not to forget :

Open the vaults

sometimes simple repeating helps.

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I'm an idiot but it's OK because I actually like a good bit of Live Licks but really only like about 3 songs on SAL. SAL is probably their worst live album period. Maybe I should have just gotten the single issue. But I still like it. And I really liked No Security. I like all of the live albums because I didn't get to see those tours and those live albums, as live as they are and even as strange as they are, are better than nothing.

What's the point with the release (FOUR FLICKS) if its only function is to be almost equal musicwise to the release they did, say, thirty years ago.? To play the same shit almost the same way for some thirty goddamn years? And people hurray because the fifty/sixty somethings are able ALMOST able to repeat the thing they did in their twenties/thirties? Long live the Soviet Union.

- ´Doxa



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"everyone thought the bootleggers had leaked all the good dylan stuff long before his bootleg series (now 8 releases strong) began"
Not quite right : Manchester'66 & N.Y.'64 were bootlegged long before the official ones. And if you've only listened to the BS 1-3 box without getting the NINE accompanying boot CDs you've missed something.
From 1961 to 1988 bootleggers beat Sony/Columbia. After that Bob decided to secure the tapes/lock the vaults. Pity...



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If only the Stones could follow THIS path...
[www.repriserecords.com]

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"everyone thought the bootleggers had leaked all the good dylan stuff long before his bootleg series (now 8 releases strong) began"
Not quite right : Manchester'66 & N.Y.'64 were bootlegged long before the official ones. And if you've only listened to the BS 1-3 box without getting the NINE accompanying boot CDs you've missed something.
From 1961 to 1988 bootleggers beat Sony/Columbia. After that Bob decided to secure the tapes/lock the vaults. Pity...

there were plenty of tracks that made the official releases that the unofficial folks hadn't gotten their paws on from earlier eras, too. i agree about the 66 and 64 shows - and the bootlegs are still in better sound in both cases...

They should really do this even if just on iTunes, I would buy everyone of them instead of messing with rapidshare and gigasize, that's a lot of work.

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I very much doubt there is anything in the vaults worth really dreaming or wishing for. I hope I am wrong. The last time the vaults were open really was in 1981 with the Tattoo You album. It was Mick’s project and it proved to be a cash cow idea. Don’t you think he would have done the same again and make even more cash? Specially when they have been desperately looking for some quality music. A Bigger Bang is a Stones repackage with different titles. Are they saving it for the will? Bullshit. There is nothing in the vaults and if there is I think it’s a shame.

so you are saying a complete pro shot from 73 is not worth wishing for?

Sorry Melillo. When someone says "Open the vaults" I undestand it means open the vaults - as in lets release stuff no one has heard before, not even Don Was. Am not talking about the master tapes of some bootleg that has been floating around for 36 years, making our imagination masturbate over something that probably by now has no magic left for it anyway. Open the vaults could mean finding a lost city like atlantis or maybe an album compilation that might cure me of my Stonelesness. I am hungry for a brand new track. Maybe some demos from the mobile studio that no one knows about. Like I said I doubt it very much. But hey unrealeased Beatles tracks are still popping up, so who knows whats still in the Stones can. Am sure Keith has a bunch of tapes from all his closed doors jam sessions all over the world. Yeah I also need a taste. Tell you the truth am kind of fed up and tired of live stones bootlegs or live albums - I guess its part of a cycle because I do love live music. But God Damn I need an awesome track.

I was not talking about a 73 audio i was talking about a complete 73 pro shot concert film which is also something no one has ever seen before

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I very much doubt there is anything in the vaults worth really dreaming or wishing for. I hope I am wrong. The last time the vaults were open really was in 1981 with the Tattoo You album. It was Mick’s project and it proved to be a cash cow idea. Don’t you think he would have done the same again and make even more cash? Specially when they have been desperately looking for some quality music. A Bigger Bang is a Stones repackage with different titles. Are they saving it for the will? Bullshit. There is nothing in the vaults and if there is I think it’s a shame.

so you are saying a complete pro shot from 73 is not worth wishing for?

Sorry Melillo. When someone says "Open the vaults" I undestand it means open the vaults - as in lets release stuff no one has heard before, not even Don Was. Am not talking about the master tapes of some bootleg that has been floating around for 36 years, making our imagination masturbate over something that probably by now has no magic left for it anyway. Open the vaults could mean finding a lost city like atlantis or maybe an album compilation that might cure me of my Stonelesness. I am hungry for a brand new track. Maybe some demos from the mobile studio that no one knows about. Like I said I doubt it very much. But hey unrealeased Beatles tracks are still popping up, so who knows whats still in the Stones can. Am sure Keith has a bunch of tapes from all his closed doors jam sessions all over the world. Yeah I also need a taste. Tell you the truth am kind of fed up and tired of live stones bootlegs or live albums - I guess its part of a cycle because I do love live music. But God Damn I need an awesome track.

I was not talking about a 73 audio i was talking about a complete 73 pro shot concert film which is also something no one has ever seen before

Yeah I will like to see that show...

Yes, a whole 73 show - proshot. There are clips, but with a whole show, you get the pacing, the way it builds.
A 73 show
The Maysles Bros footage
Bill Wyman's Black Box
Halle Berry's Black Box
Songs e have been reading about for years but have never heard.
Recordings from those early early days that Jagger supposedly owns
Recording of the Stu tribute show
The whole El Mocambo shows
Blind Date, maybe?
And there has got to be tons of non music footage

the Maysles bros footage and the 73 footage would be worth the price alone

yep - MSG/Altamont 1969 pro-shot complete shows would end my treasure hunt...

Monkey Man. You Don't Have To Mean It. It's not just what was played 30 years ago.

And remember - we got a fantastic awful edit of Rocks Off! You LOVE that!

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Monkey Man. You Don't Have To Mean It. It's not just what was played 30 years ago.

And remember - we got a fantastic awful edit of Rocks Off! You LOVE that!

How could I forgot that one..

- Doxa

P.S. I hope they have had played "Monkey Man" in Taylor days... one can aonly imagine what kind of guitar festival they might have done out of it. The version they do nowadays - a typical 'lead by Chuck Leavell' number - tries to be one-to-one copy to the original, and doesn't add anything to it. Unneeded release.



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Possibly the greatest worst edit ever.

Sorry to repeat myself but I just wrote that for the Universal thread: I'm expecting something like 40 Licks for the 50th anniversary and it will span their entire career because there is something in the(ir) vaults that hardly anyone of us has: What about the Little Boy Blue tapes an "anonymous" has bid for and a certain Chris Jagger was allowed to present You Can't Judge A Book By Looking At It's Cover?!

It's About Time .....

what about those 69 tour reahearsals, wouldnt that be a nice Christmas present

Doxa - what's amazing to me is just how good Monkey Man is and how true it is to the original. Consider that with Start Me Up, Satisfaction, JJF, SFTD - all horrible versions now that are so far removed from the original they stink.

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Doxa - what's amazing to me is just how good Monkey Man is and how true it is to the original. Consider that with Start Me Up, Satisfaction, JJF, SFTD - all horrible versions now that are so far removed from the original they stink.

I hear you. It is one of the best versions - with "Gimme Shelter" - they have done of their old numbers. But like I said I am not a big fan of repeating originality. I like them finding a new angle into song, and that's the reason I like so much of their 1969-82 live material. They rearranged the songs into concert setting, and the songs evolved with them. Now they try to copy the originals. For example, of the songs you mentioned "Sympathy For The Devil" actually IS its original form brought into today's settings. And the result is cheap and horrible, Vegas-like.

It is true that some of the songs they have not tried to 'save' back home. Especially "Satisfaction" and "Jumping Jack Flash" are still in the same journey they've been since 1969. Just running out of a gas.

- Doxa



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"Open the vaults"
Keep seeing this line in posts for years and years. What are we expecting from it? I mean - open them, and then what? Is this the final step in the Stones' career? You open them, and we hope there will be...what? Unheard , finished songs?
Radically different mixes of "Between the Buttons"? Live film footage of shows?

El Mocambo 77, and maybe the 100 Club 86 show. This will last us as long as a prime new boot lasts.The SW outtakes was radical,and we ate it up in 2 weeks; an wanted more.
I would love to see great unreleased material; am all for it. But I wonder if the Stones really have that much, that we havent seen or heard, to round out their illustrious career.
I do wish they'd give access to whatever Jagger has back there; I just think they should do it anyway - not as the answer to be-all.

You have a good point here!
What are we expecting from "the vaults"? A whole new collection of records which would prove that the Stones we're so brilliantly stupid to release the material that's been offered us thru the years. It's an insult to the band to whine about this, "the vaults" thing.

I'm convinced that when the Stones and only the Stones themselves, say that it's over, maybe then and only then there's a possibility they will consider a record with finished songs from the vaults. Or maybe they will pick up some goodies and finish them for a record. But it's only the Stones themselves who will decide that!

And as I understand it they haven't said it's over yet!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

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You have a good point here!
What are we expecting from "the vaults"? A whole new collection of records which would prove that the Stones we're so brilliantly stupid to release the material that's been offered us thru the years.

Nope. Try seeing it as simply an alternative 'path' to show us how theyve got to where they are now. Like discovering a hidden route that gets you from point A to point B. Doesnt necessarily have to be interpreted as a 'better' one.

If every artist took the attitude you've suggested, then none of them would have released anything from their archives because theyd be too insulted or embarrassed.

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It's an insult to the band to whine about this, "the vaults" thing.

by the same token, when a band goes 5 or 8 years between releasing ANY new material, isnt it an 'insult' to their audience to just put out an endless cycle of repackages of old material or poorly assembled and edited live albums (which seem to have a diminishing level of band involvement with each successive release)? Surely it's not too much to ask for something better than THAT?

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I'm convinced that when the Stones and only the Stones themselves, say that it's over, maybe then and only then there's a possibility they will consider a record with finished songs from the vaults.

By then, the amount of people who will actually care about such a release will probably have dwindled further. The appeal of such a release has a sell-by date. We're quickly approaching it.

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Or maybe they will pick up some goodies and finish them for a record. But it's only the Stones themselves who will decide that!

God, no. Dig out 30-40 year old leftovers and re-record them to release them as a 'new' studio album? The ultimate in barrel scraping. Jesus, have a bit of ambition not to mention high standards!

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And as I understand it they haven't said it's over yet!

Ask a fan of Dylan, Neil Young, Springsteen, Bowie, The Who and numerous other veteran acts who have all either endorsed or worked on such archive projects if they feel its an insult to the artist's past career moves to release such material or if it's a sign that their career is over. I think you'll get a resounding 'no' from fan and artist alike.

Besides, when a band who has been around for 46 years and who have, in the second half of that timespan, released just FOUR albums of new material , they have resoundingly sent out a message that its pretty much 'over' from a creative standpoint. They (and many of their fans) just wont admit it publicly because they want to cling on the illusion that they're 'current'.

Their shelf life as an active band is limited, so there's no reason whatsoever why they shouldnt, at this stage, start to sanction or oversee the roots of some long-term archives project. We're now into four years since they last made a record, and it'll probably be at least a year until they release another one, They havent played any concerts in 18 months and it will probably be a similar length of time before they do another. You dont think its an opportunity wasted to keep people interested in them by releasing SOMETHING other than another repackage?



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I've only heard Beatles Anthology and other Beatles studio boots a few times, but thoroughly enjoyed them... the work in progress aspect versus the finished official release we're all familiar with. . . the 'unplugged' element. . . I'd buy that kind of Stuff from the Stones gladly.

Ofcourse some choice live stuff, un-retouched, 'warts and all,' would be great. . .that audio clip form the Decca 1972 unreleased live album was fantastic. . . liked the 'torn and frayed' artwork tour advert too. . . I'd love to hear some tour rehearsals also, especially of songs that might not have been played. . . the 'what ifs' of setlists .. . SFTD 1981 . . .Was it Toad's Place?, etc., etc, etc.

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"Open the vaults"
Keep seeing this line in posts for years and years. What are we expecting from it? I mean - open them, and then what? Is this the final step in the Stones' career? You open them, and we hope there will be...what? Unheard , finished songs?
Radically different mixes of "Between the Buttons"? Live film footage of shows?

El Mocambo 77, and maybe the 100 Club 86 show. This will last us as long as a prime new boot lasts.The SW outtakes was radical,and we ate it up in 2 weeks; an wanted more.
I would love to see great unreleased material; am all for it. But I wonder if the Stones really have that much, that we havent seen or heard, to round out their illustrious career.
I do wish they'd give access to whatever Jagger has back there; I just think they should do it anyway - not as the answer to be-all.

The issue with something being ate up, digested and spat out again by its target audience isnt exclusive to 'vaults' releases. You could make the same argument for live albums and even studio albums. It's the nature of the consumer - especially these days - to want to move on quickly to something else.

The problem is knowing when to release such material. I think we can pretty much all agree that its something we'd like to see happen. Whether its now, in two years or when the band is no more.

However, the sense of expectancy is heightened the longer the delay. If they keep holding this material back from release year after year, then there's more likely to be an immediate sense of "is that it?" when they eventually DO release anything. You could call it Chinese Democracy Syndrome.