What Bob Dylan and others do is of no matter in this case.
I'm sure that we will have "the vaults" opened at one point or another.

I agree that the Stones have been lazy during latter years.
But opening the vaults is no compensation for that, or maybe a poor one.

The Stones still has the decision in their hands and the day they release albums containing a lot of the outtakes that we already have gotten by bootlegs is just a prolongning of the certain whining of how lazy they are!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

look the bottom line is other major acts have done it while they are still active so the stones can to, the problem is they choose not to for some silly reason, why should they have to wait until they retire thats ridiculous

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What Bob Dylan and others do is of no matter in this case.
I'm sure that we will have "the vaults" opened at one point or another.

I agree that the Stones have been lazy during latter years.
But opening the vaults is no compensation for that, or maybe a poor one.

The Stones still has the decision in their hands and the day they release albums containing a lot of the outtakes that we already have gotten by bootlegs is just a prolongning of the certain whining of how lazy they are!

What other artists have done IS relevant when you're stating that its an insult to the band's judgement to want them to release archive material. The point is that the fact that other artists have initiated, authorised and collaborated on such projects would suggest that THEY dont feel its a criticism of their past judgement. I seriously doubt the Stones would feel that way either (I'd actually argue that the Stones have exercised BETTER judgement on what should and shouldnt be on their studio albums down the years than ANY of their contemporaries)

I can see where you're coming from with your last statement but I respectfully disagree 100% with the assumption that it would be largely a repitition of material we already have for several reasons :

1) What has circulated is only owned by a tiny percentage of Stones fans
2) What has circulated is only a tiny percentage of what has been recorded in a 45 year career where sessions often go on for weeks or months at a time.
3) What has circulated has been in the vast majority of cases released in a sound quality (even when its soundboard material) that is inferior to what you would expect from an official release.

Who are we to tell the Stones what to do!

They will do whatever they choose to do and if we're so insulted by their way of handling themselves as a band, then it might be better to say goodbye to the laziest rock and roll band in the world and stick by the others who seems to do everything right in your opinion!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

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Who are we to tell the Stones what to do!

i will unburden you with the responsibility. we'll form a small action committe and tell the stones exactly what to do. i promise you'll be satisfied with the results.

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Who are we to tell the Stones what to do!

i will unburden you with the responsibility. we'll form a small action committe and tell the stones exactly what to do. i promise you'll be satisfied with the results.

You do that and I will head on outta here!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

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Who are we to tell the Stones what to do!

i will unburden you with the responsibility. we'll form a small action committe and tell the stones exactly what to do. i promise you'll be satisfied with the results.

You do that and I will head on outta here!

oh no - don't do the baboon thing! haha....

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Who are we to tell the Stones what to do!

i will unburden you with the responsibility. we'll form a small action committe and tell the stones exactly what to do. i promise you'll be satisfied with the results.

You do that and I will head on outta here!

oh no - don't do the baboon thing! haha....

That's not what I meant T&A. I meant that I could take a break from typing here for a while. I have to get something to eat. ha ha!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

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Who are we to tell the Stones what to do!

i will unburden you with the responsibility. we'll form a small action committe and tell the stones exactly what to do. i promise you'll be satisfied with the results.

You do that and I will head on outta here!

oh no - don't do the baboon thing! haha....

That's not what I meant T&A. I meant that I could take a break from typing here for a while. I have to get something to eat. ha ha!

oh. you mean i have your blessing to form this committee? excellent. and you have my blessing to get something to eat. wheeeeeee!!!!

I'm all for the 'vaults' being opened too as long as it's of a reasonable quality. Having said that and maybe it's just me but I think it's a sad reflection (and perhaps an admission that the best, productive days are gone) that's there's not really the same clamour for new material any longer. Just a thought.

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I'm all for the 'vaults' being opened too as long as it's of a reasonable quality. Having said that and maybe it's just me but I think it's a sad reflection (and perhaps an admission that the best, productive days are gone) that's there's not really the same clamour for new material any longer. Just a thought.

it's not a "one or the other" proposition. all the other aforementioned artists continue to maintain productive, forward-looking careers, while treating their longtime (and newer) fans to nuggets from yesteryear. it's ridiculous that the stones, with their legacy secured for all eternity, haven't given back to their fans with a gesture like this...oh, and one that will only improve their legacy and the size of their wallets.

I just think that we have to be aware of the the Stones will choose to do what ever they choose to, whenever or for whatever reason, By no means it would be great to hear the "best" outtakes on record produced in a fashionable manner.

But the reason shouldn't be as trivial as that Dylan or somebody else does it.
It should be done just because they want to do it.

Hopefully we will be greeted with a new album and tour and hopefully they will play a bunch of the latter songs on that tour.

The Stones music is to me, still valid!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

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I'm just amazed it took three and a half pages!

I know someone who has seen the vaults they are packed with 100s of vids & audio tape going back pre Steel Wheels. So no need to think they arnt there from what I understand no one can be botherd to go through them. Maybe hand them over to some fans to do all the work thats the only way they will apear. Or when the kids are incharge when its all over . But by then its to late for most of us who will have joined the Boys on there last great tour.

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I know someone who has seen the vaults they are packed with 100s of vids & audio tape going back pre Steel Wheels. So no need to think they arnt there from what I understand no one can be botherd to go through them. Maybe hand them over to some fans to do all the work thats the only way they will apear..Or when the kids are incharge when its all over . But by then its to late for most of us who will have joined the Boys on there last great tour.

Exactly what I've been saying on here for quite some time. Understandable that the band cant be bothered to trawl through hundreds of hours of footage and audio tape. If they feel like that but DO feel that its a project worth pursuing, then leave it to a group of others to do it for them - obviously the results would be subject to their approval before any of it would officially see the light of day. Thats whats happened with Dylan, as far as I'm aware.

Your point about leaving it to their families invites comparison with how the estate of Elvis Presley have dealt with HIS archives in recent years. At the time of his death, there hadnt been much in the way of such releases and the quality material in his back catalogue was being dwarfed in size by a seemingly bottomless pit of poor quality budget reissues. When his family wrested control back of his work, they entrusted a group of fans who cared about the artistic merits of his body of work to oversee the future direction of the archives. The results in recent years have been very positive.

I think Genesis went that route too. What fans of that and are getting is remastered, remixed classic albums, Box sets of historic material, live discs of "Lamb" and "Suppers ReadY" I mean this is the Holy Grail to Genesis fans. Gabriel era live shows in top quality. And like last posts have said - they gave access to selected group of fans.