oWell , I know the acoustic is Keith because the liner notes say so. But I dont know why one of the electric guitars cant be Taylor. Nico in his Complete Works says Taylor plays on Brown Sugar and Bitch also.Taylor also in his interviews over the years usually says what tracks he is not in .I have never heard him say he is not playing on Brown Sugar or Bitch.And I’ve never heard any of the Stones say Keith played all the guitars on those songs



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oWell , I know the acoustic is Keith because the liner notes say so. But I dont know why one of the electric guitars cant be Taylor. Nico in his Complete Works says Taylor plays on Brown Sugar and Bitch also.Taylor also in his interviews over the years usually says what tracks he is not in .I have never heard him say he is not playing on Brown Sugar or Bitch.And I’ve never heard any of the Stones say Keith played all the guitars on those songs

We heard the licks and lead lines Taylor played on the earlier versions. That track was wiped, and Keith added the one with Berry-licks.

But the main reason we hear that those two electrics are Keith is all about his idiosyncratic playing style and tone.

Keith has also said he played the acoustic.

What about Bitch?

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What about Bitch?

I still believe Taylor plays the riff, although it sounds different on the live versions.

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What about Bitch?

I still believe Taylor plays the riff, although it sounds different on the live versions.

Listening to the extended version it's obviously Taylor on Bitch. Everybody sounds different on the live versions of most of their songs even when they played on the studio version. For instance, Taylor doesn't play like he does on Rocks Off, Richards has to pick certain parts to play live because he might have played multiple rhythm parts, etc.

I think the best case of what Taylor might have played on the studio version of Brown Sugar is the Altamont version.

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What about Bitch?

I still believe Taylor plays the riff, although it sounds different on the live versions.

Listening to the extended version it's obviously Taylor on Bitch. Everybody sounds different on the live versions of most of their songs even when they played on the studio version. For instance, Taylor doesn't play like he does on Rocks Off, Richards has to pick certain parts to play live because he might have played multiple rhythm parts, etc.

I think the best case of what Taylor might have played on the studio version of Brown Sugar is the Altamont version.

Different, as in different right hand-technique.

This is how the Brown Sugar studio version sounded with Taylor.

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What about Bitch?

I still believe Taylor plays the riff, although it sounds different on the live versions.

Listening to the extended version it's obviously Taylor on Bitch. Everybody sounds different on the live versions of most of their songs even when they played on the studio version. For instance, Taylor doesn't play like he does on Rocks Off, Richards has to pick certain parts to play live because he might have played multiple rhythm parts, etc.

I think the best case of what Taylor might have played on the studio version of Brown Sugar is the Altamont version.

Different, as in different right hand-technique.

This is how the Brown Sugar studio version sounded with Taylor.

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Yeah I’m familiar with that. Taylor was more versatile than people care to give him credit for. He drops in a nice solo, but I’m not sure when that was recorded because Richards plays the solo on the Gimme Shelter version in the hotel. So certainly Taylor is on that version as there is testimony he played a Strat on the recording. Unless of course Richards wiped his part right in front of his face, which is highly unlikely for a 1969 Richards.

Studio version of Bitch sounds like it was done on a different guitar with a different amp and those factors go into how one plays a song. The strings could have been a different gauge, which changes right hand technique as well. The fact it’s a studio recording can change one’s approach. They added parts to the live version. To me this is much to do about nothing, especially considering the extended version.



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What about Bitch?

I still believe Taylor plays the riff, although it sounds different on the live versions.

Listening to the extended version it's obviously Taylor on Bitch. Everybody sounds different on the live versions of most of their songs even when they played on the studio version. For instance, Taylor doesn't play like he does on Rocks Off, Richards has to pick certain parts to play live because he might have played multiple rhythm parts, etc.

I think the best case of what Taylor might have played on the studio version of Brown Sugar is the Altamont version.

Different, as in different right hand-technique.

This is how the Brown Sugar studio version sounded with Taylor.

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Holy crap. Glad they kept working on it.

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This is how the Brown Sugar studio version sounded with Taylor.

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Interesting to hear Taylor's different input between this and the early 7-tees live versions. I can imagine he and Keith had arguments in the studio.

I personally like the alternate Brown Sugar with Taylor guitar better than the awful version with Eric Clapton

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I personally like the alternate Brown Sugar with Taylor guitar better than the awful version with Eric Clapton

Keith's open G guitar on this only leaves room for melodic counter-play, or rhythm
guitar in the same fashion, as Keith does himself on the official studio version. The Clapton and Taylor version make the song a bit more open, as do the live versions with Taylor. However I'm not surprised that the official release became the bestseller because it's the most danceable version.

All attempts work perfectly well to my taste !



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I also like the Brown Sugar they performed with Wood on the flat bed truck in New York City to announce the 1975 tour. The actual live performance, not the overdubbed 1976 Love Yo u Live one which is used on the 25by 5 documentary

Love it! IMHO the song is superior to "Brown Sugar," the big hit from "Sticky Fingers."

And that MT guy could play rhythm guitar. He should've played it more often and let the other guy take the lead.

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And that MT guy could play rhythm guitar. He should've played it more often and let the other guy take the lead.

Agreed, but for some reason they only did that on some occasions.Taylor preferred noodling.

There is a saying in the United Kingdom that "if the cap fits you should wear it".

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And that MT guy could play rhythm guitar. He should've played it more often and let the other guy take the lead.

Agreed, but for some reason they only did that on some occasions.Taylor preferred noodling.

There is a saying in the United Kingdom that "if the cap fits you should wear it".

I still wonder why Richards played rhythm on Bye Bye Johnny in Vancouver ‘72 and Taylor took the solo.

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And that MT guy could play rhythm guitar. He should've played it more often and let the other guy take the lead.

Agreed, but for some reason they only did that on some occasions.Taylor preferred noodling.

There is a saying in the United Kingdom that "if the cap fits you should wear it".

I still wonder why Richards played rhythm on Bye Bye Johnny in Vancouver ‘72 and Taylor took the solo.

Maybe they agreed on it on the spot.

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And that MT guy could play rhythm guitar. He should've played it more often and let the other guy take the lead.

Agreed, but for some reason they only did that on some occasions.Taylor preferred noodling.

There is a saying in the United Kingdom that "if the cap fits you should wear it".

I still wonder why Richards played rhythm on Bye Bye Johnny in Vancouver ‘72 and Taylor took the solo.

And why Richards didn't continue to play the Gimme Shelter-solos after the 1969-tour.

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And that MT guy could play rhythm guitar. He should've played it more often and let the other guy take the lead.

Agreed, but for some reason they only did that on some occasions.Taylor preferred noodling.

There is a saying in the United Kingdom that "if the cap fits you should wear it".

I still wonder why Richards played rhythm on Bye Bye Johnny in Vancouver ‘72 and Taylor took the solo.

And why Richards didn't continue to play the Gimme Shelter-solos after the 1969-tour.

Because Taylor was @#$%& good at it?

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And that MT guy could play rhythm guitar. He should've played it more often and let the other guy take the lead.

Agreed, but for some reason they only did that on some occasions.Taylor preferred noodling.

There is a saying in the United Kingdom that "if the cap fits you should wear it".

I still wonder why Richards played rhythm on Bye Bye Johnny in Vancouver ‘72 and Taylor took the solo.

And why Richards didn't continue to play the Gimme Shelter-solos after the 1969-tour.

Oh how I wish there was an excellent quality 1970 version where Richards, B. Keys, and Taylor all took solos!

Happy new year!

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And that MT guy could play rhythm guitar. He should've played it more often and let the other guy take the lead.

Agreed, but for some reason they only did that on some occasions.Taylor preferred noodling.

There is a saying in the United Kingdom that "if the cap fits you should wear it".

I still wonder why Richards played rhythm on Bye Bye Johnny in Vancouver ‘72 and Taylor took the solo.

And why Richards didn't continue to play the Gimme Shelter-solos after the 1969-tour.

Because Taylor was @#$%& good at it?

They're both good in different ways

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And that MT guy could play rhythm guitar. He should've played it more often and let the other guy take the lead.

Agreed, but for some reason they only did that on some occasions.Taylor preferred noodling.

There is a saying in the United Kingdom that "if the cap fits you should wear it".

I still wonder why Richards played rhythm on Bye Bye Johnny in Vancouver ‘72 and Taylor took the solo.

And why Richards didn't continue to play the Gimme Shelter-solos after the 1969-tour.

Because Taylor was @#$%& good at it?

They're both good in different ways

Very true.

who cares what Taylor did or didn't do on Bitch...the driving force on Bitch is Keith...his master class in my opinion...one of his finest moments....Bitch is all Keith.

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who cares what Taylor did or didn't do on Bitch...the driving force on Bitch is Keith...his master class in my opinion...one of his finest moments....Bitch is all Keith.

You don't consider the riff an important part of Bitch?

I agree on Keith being a driving force, though

I don't know if I like the duh duh duh nanananana part or the NEH NAHHHH part better.



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who cares what Taylor did or didn't do on Bitch...the driving force on Bitch is Keith...his master class in my opinion...one of his finest moments....Bitch is all Keith.

You don't consider the riff an important part of Bitch?

I agree on Keith being a driving force, though

not as important as Keith's sheer power on this tune...its KR ultimate performance I think...all muscle...everyone else just seems like they are part of the ride...

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who cares what Taylor did or didn't do on Bitch...the driving force on Bitch is Keith...his master class in my opinion...one of his finest moments....Bitch is all Keith.

You don't consider the riff an important part of Bitch?

I agree on Keith being a driving force, though

not as important as Keith's sheer power on this tune...its KR ultimate performance I think...all muscle...everyone else just seems like they are part of the ride...

Don't forget Jagger on the studio version. The way he sings this song: feeling, power, confidence, and not the least the lyrics.

It’s obvious the most important aspect of Bitch is...

Haha what a statement. It’s a song recorded by a band as a band. It wouldn’t sound the way it does if everyone weren’t locked in, and even Keef on lead guitar would tell you that.

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Here`s a good proof that MT can play aggressively is he wants. Rhythm guitar on Live with me is played exatcly same style as on Bitch.
And if you listen Bitch, extented versions ending and Live with me´s third verse there is almost same guitar riffs on both tracks.
In think case is closed

Great guitar work.