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Mick Taylor Rocks.
Correct sir. He Rocked. Past tense that is.
Bitch edited version.
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I never understood it though....Taylor is by all means a mediocre rythm player, and the way he played the riff live has always been miles away from the studio version. His right hand is fairly week for rythm playing, but on this record it suddenly is loud, aggressive and mean -just as you would expect Keith would do it. Then there's the remark from Andy Johns, would doesn't make sense knowing that Keith is only credited with the fills.
I have never been fully confident the main riff actually is Taylor...
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I never understood it though....Taylor is by all means a mediocre rythm player, and the way he played the riff live has always been miles away from the studio version. His right hand is fairly week for rythm playing, but on this record it suddenly is loud, aggressive and mean -just as you would expect Keith would do it. Then there's the remark from Andy Johns, would doesn't make sense knowing that Keith is only credited with the fills.
I have never been fully confident the main riff actually is Taylor...
Mathijs
Here we are, 10 years later, and I still do not believe it's actually Taylor on the studio version....
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GasLightStreet
Just because Keith may've come up with the chug doesn't mean he played it. Brown Sugar is a good example of that.
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Just because Keith may've come up with the chug doesn't mean he played it. Brown Sugar is a good example of that.
Mick Jagger came up with the Brown Sugar progression and Keith played it?
But at the marquee club show Taylor played the riff before the song was released.Quote
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I never understood it though....Taylor is by all means a mediocre rythm player, and the way he played the riff live has always been miles away from the studio version. His right hand is fairly week for rythm playing, but on this record it suddenly is loud, aggressive and mean -just as you would expect Keith would do it. Then there's the remark from Andy Johns, would doesn't make sense knowing that Keith is only credited with the fills.
I have never been fully confident the main riff actually is Taylor...
Mathijs
Here we are, 10 years later, and I still do not believe it's actually Taylor on the studio version....
Mathijs
Based on what he said it sounds like Keith figured out the chug, revealed the improvement to the band, and Taylor played it. No different than the Chuck Berry tunes they did in 1969, which the rhythm playing doesn't sound mediocre at all.
That's a reasonable thing to think, anyway, at least based on what Andy Johns said, in which he wasn't specific, and how the song is credited. Just because Keith may've come up with the chug doesn't mean he played it. Brown Sugar is a good example of that.
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Taylor1
But at the marquee club show Taylor played the riff before the song was released.
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At the Marquee show Taylor is playing the riff and Keith the lead right? I always thought it strange that Taylor played the lead and soloson Happy , TumblingDice Gimme Shelter live even though Keith played them on the albums.Why wouldn’t he therefore also play the solos on Bitch live
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At the Marquee show Taylor is playing the riff and Keith the lead right? I always thought it strange that Taylor played the lead and soloson Happy , TumblingDice Gimme Shelter live even though Keith played them on the albums.Why wouldn’t he therefore also play the solos on Bitch live
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I never understood it though....Taylor is by all means a mediocre rythm player, and the way he played the riff live has always been miles away from the studio version. His right hand is fairly week for rythm playing, but on this record it suddenly is loud, aggressive and mean -just as you would expect Keith would do it. Then there's the remark from Andy Johns, would doesn't make sense knowing that Keith is only credited with the fills.
I have never been fully confident the main riff actually is Taylor...
Mathijs
Here we are, 10 years later, and I still do not believe it's actually Taylor on the studio version....
Mathijs
Based on what he said it sounds like Keith figured out the chug, revealed the improvement to the band, and Taylor played it. No different than the Chuck Berry tunes they did in 1969, which the rhythm playing doesn't sound mediocre at all.
That's a reasonable thing to think, anyway, at least based on what Andy Johns said, in which he wasn't specific, and how the song is credited. Just because Keith may've come up with the chug doesn't mean he played it. Brown Sugar is a good example of that.
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Taylor1
At the Marquee show Taylor is playing the riff and Keith the lead right? I always thought it strange that Taylor played the lead and soloson Happy , TumblingDice Gimme Shelter live even though Keith played them on the albums.Why wouldn’t he therefore also play the solos on Bitch live
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I never understood it though....Taylor is by all means a mediocre rythm player, and the way he played the riff live has always been miles away from the studio version. His right hand is fairly week for rythm playing, but on this record it suddenly is loud, aggressive and mean -just as you would expect Keith would do it. Then there's the remark from Andy Johns, would doesn't make sense knowing that Keith is only credited with the fills.
I have never been fully confident the main riff actually is Taylor...
Mathijs
Here we are, 10 years later, and I still do not believe it's actually Taylor on the studio version....
Mathijs
Based on what he said it sounds like Keith figured out the chug, revealed the improvement to the band, and Taylor played it. No different than the Chuck Berry tunes they did in 1969, which the rhythm playing doesn't sound mediocre at all.
That's a reasonable thing to think, anyway, at least based on what Andy Johns said, in which he wasn't specific, and how the song is credited. Just because Keith may've come up with the chug doesn't mean he played it. Brown Sugar is a good example of that.
Isnt Taylor aggressive,loud ballsy live on songs like Bye Bye Johnny, Ft Worth,1972; Street Fighting Man Brussels1973;Midnight Rambler 1972-1973;Gimme Shelter 1973;I know those are mostly songs he’s playing lead except Bye Bye Johnny.You are the expert here when it comes to the Stones music so I will defer to your opinionQuote
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I never understood it though....Taylor is by all means a mediocre rythm player, and the way he played the riff live has always been miles away from the studio version. His right hand is fairly week for rythm playing, but on this record it suddenly is loud, aggressive and mean -just as you would expect Keith would do it. Then there's the remark from Andy Johns, would doesn't make sense knowing that Keith is only credited with the fills.
I have never been fully confident the main riff actually is Taylor...
Mathijs
Here we are, 10 years later, and I still do not believe it's actually Taylor on the studio version....
Mathijs
Based on what he said it sounds like Keith figured out the chug, revealed the improvement to the band, and Taylor played it. No different than the Chuck Berry tunes they did in 1969, which the rhythm playing doesn't sound mediocre at all.
That's a reasonable thing to think, anyway, at least based on what Andy Johns said, in which he wasn't specific, and how the song is credited. Just because Keith may've come up with the chug doesn't mean he played it. Brown Sugar is a good example of that.
I know Taylor is credited with playing the main riff, and he plays the main riff on all live versions. But the studio version just sounds like nothing Taylor has ever played in his 40 year career. It's aggressive, ballsy, loud and full of attack, and this is all missing on all live versions, where Taylor plays the riff clean, a bit subdued, following the drums and not pushing them.
To me it sounds like they recorded the song and in the end Keith simply overdubbed the main riff, as he did with Taylor's rhythm playing on the Berry tracks of Ya-Ya's.
BUt, this is just my own opinion.
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Taylor1Isnt Taylor aggressive,loud ballsy live on songs like Bye Bye Johnny, Ft Worth,1972; Street Fighting Man Brussels1973;Midnight Rambler 1972-1973;Gimme Shelter 1973;I know those are mostly songs he’s playing lead except Bye Bye Johnny.You are the expert here when it comes to the Stones music so I will defer to your opinionQuote
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I never understood it though....Taylor is by all means a mediocre rythm player, and the way he played the riff live has always been miles away from the studio version. His right hand is fairly week for rythm playing, but on this record it suddenly is loud, aggressive and mean -just as you would expect Keith would do it. Then there's the remark from Andy Johns, would doesn't make sense knowing that Keith is only credited with the fills.
I have never been fully confident the main riff actually is Taylor...
Mathijs
Here we are, 10 years later, and I still do not believe it's actually Taylor on the studio version....
Mathijs
Based on what he said it sounds like Keith figured out the chug, revealed the improvement to the band, and Taylor played it. No different than the Chuck Berry tunes they did in 1969, which the rhythm playing doesn't sound mediocre at all.
That's a reasonable thing to think, anyway, at least based on what Andy Johns said, in which he wasn't specific, and how the song is credited. Just because Keith may've come up with the chug doesn't mean he played it. Brown Sugar is a good example of that.
I know Taylor is credited with playing the main riff, and he plays the main riff on all live versions. But the studio version just sounds like nothing Taylor has ever played in his 40 year career. It's aggressive, ballsy, loud and full of attack, and this is all missing on all live versions, where Taylor plays the riff clean, a bit subdued, following the drums and not pushing them.
To me it sounds like they recorded the song and in the end Keith simply overdubbed the main riff, as he did with Taylor's rhythm playing on the Berry tracks of Ya-Ya's.
BUt, this is just my own opinion.
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I never understood it though....Taylor is by all means a mediocre rythm player, and the way he played the riff live has always been miles away from the studio version. His right hand is fairly week for rythm playing, but on this record it suddenly is loud, aggressive and mean -just as you would expect Keith would do it. Then there's the remark from Andy Johns, would doesn't make sense knowing that Keith is only credited with the fills.
I have never been fully confident the main riff actually is Taylor...
Mathijs
Here we are, 10 years later, and I still do not believe it's actually Taylor on the studio version....
Mathijs
Based on what he said it sounds like Keith figured out the chug, revealed the improvement to the band, and Taylor played it. No different than the Chuck Berry tunes they did in 1969, which the rhythm playing doesn't sound mediocre at all.
That's a reasonable thing to think, anyway, at least based on what Andy Johns said, in which he wasn't specific, and how the song is credited. Just because Keith may've come up with the chug doesn't mean he played it. Brown Sugar is a good example of that.
I know Taylor is credited with playing the main riff, and he plays the main riff on all live versions. But the studio version just sounds like nothing Taylor has ever played in his 40 year career. It's aggressive, ballsy, loud and full of attack, and this is all missing on all live versions, where Taylor plays the riff clean, a bit subdued, following the drums and not pushing them.
To me it sounds like they recorded the song and in the end Keith simply overdubbed the main riff, as he did with Taylor's rhythm playing on the Berry tracks of Ya-Ya's.
BUt, this is just my own opinion.
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Cheap KR PR stint, my dear "GLS".
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Taylor1
If Taylor doesn’t play on Bitch on the album, why does the album notes say he is.The album notes say Keith isn’t playing on Sway or Moonlight Mile .The album notes say Taylor is not on Sister Morphine .So why would Taylor be listed on Bitch? You could wipe Brian’s acoustic guitar from Swmpathy for the Devil before it was released or Taylor from Rip this Joint, but on those songs their guitars are just missing. Keith didn’t then afterwards add an acoustic or another guitar and then leave the credits to Brian and Taylor Why would he record all the guitars to Bitch and then someoneerroneously state in the album liner notes Taylor playing on it.Whoever wrote the liner notes for the Sticky Fingers album clearly did not credit Keith playing guitar on Sway and Moonlight Mile.So why would he credit Taylor on Bitch if he wasn’t on that track.Alsso isn’t Taylor’s guitar on the album track Live With Me similar to the guitar on Bitch?
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There are two electric guitars and one acoustic on BrownSugar.You can clearly hear it listening on earphones or removing Jaggers vocalsWhy couldn’t Taylor be one of the electric.Plus on Bitch ,explain why the guitar that people say isn’t Taylor sounds like Taylor on the studio Live With Me